I have a 2018MY FFRR on order, all spec can still be changed but I'm struggling to decide on which engine to go for.

I haven't owned a diesel car for some years now. I currently have an old 2007 L322 Petrol V8, and a 2016 Bentley Mulsanne Speed, so I'm looking for the quietest possible option.

I drove a 2017 L405 3.0 Supercharged Petrol the other day - I thought this felt under powered.

I then drove my brothers new 3.0 Diesel Discovery yesterday, which was relatively quiet on the move but I think rumbles quite a bit at idle - Would the FFRR be quieter / better insulated?

What are peoples thoughts on the New FFRR 2.0 Litre P400e Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (404HP)?

Initially I dismissed this, largely because I'm worried that the 4 cylinder engine may sound strained under acceleration (I'd hate that more than the rumble of a diesel!). - That said, having looked at the stats, this petrol engine alone claims 296bhp ( which I thought sounded quite good), with a further 116bhp coming from the electric motor.

So my question is this - When this vehicle is running purely on it's 296bhp 4 cylinder petrol engine, while under acceleration is it likely to rev high and sound under strain?

I should also probably mention, that this car will be used for driving from Yorkshire to the Scottish Borders at least once every 2 weeks - Again, I'm I going to spend most of my time being powered purely by a measly 4 cylinder engine?

Many thanks

The lack of torque would be a concern, it's less than the 3.0 Supercharged on petrol alone, so it will need revs. Plus the boot is smaller.

Try the 3.0 TDV6, it's virtually silent on the move and can hardly be heard on idle. It suits the car well. You'd never know it was a diesel.

The only way to be certain would be to wait until the hybrid is available for test driving. The 2.0 ingenium petrol unit (at lower output) is used in the F Pace and another Jaguar so you could perhaps get an impression from testing one of those. Press reviews are OK-ish, but do say it sounds strained at higher revs. As far as I am concerned the hybrid is for people who do a lot of town driving and no towing, if you are doing Yorkshire to Scotland one of the diesels would make sense, but your other cars suggest to me that the 5.0SC is what you'd like best.

I'd guess the 405 3.0 V6 will be a bit quieter than the Discovery, you can of course test-drive these back to back just now, albeit the 2018 405 may be quieter than earlier cars due to thicker glass etc. Only Range Rovers since 1988

I think you really need to drive one and make your own decision. To me RR travel is all about wafting along with power in reserve and opulence - not listening to a high revving tiny 2litre engine. That's an engine the size of a milk carton.

If you are used to V8's and Bentley power, my fear is you would be disappointed with a 4 cylinder RR.

Re the discovery, yes a RR is quieter, and to be honest I don't hear the SDV8 until you plant your foot. Cruising at 70/80 all I hear is a light wind & faint tyre noise.

If you are spending this much money - you really need to drive them back to back if possible. 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

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I wouldn’t pay any attention to the 296bhp figure in the 2.0 petrol as the power delivery will be completely different to you current car. There’s no way that I’d buy one without a long test drive first as, from what you’ve said, I’d need a lot of convincing that it would meet your needs. I’d suggest that to buy one, unseen and untested, would be beyond brave!

PS: Having spent the last week driving a DS 2.0 Ingenium 240 bhp Diesel, it’s pretty horrible after the 4.4 SDV8. This is dangerous territory that you’re in if you’re hoping for quiet and sophistication. In fact, it very reminiscent of the engine in my old 1.6 petrol Astramax van, from 1986!

Thank you everybody...... Some excellent points made which I think has helped me make a much quicker decision than expected - This petrol hybrid aint gonna work!

My original spec was for a 3.0 Diesel V6 Autobiography and that's what is still on the order system, but driving my brothers new Discovery yesterday concerned me slightly. Interesting to see that "Vogue" thinks the FFRR will be slightly quieter, I think he's probably right.

Thank you once again to all, for your helpful views and quick responses

yes, the Discovery is way rougher than the FF.

Thanks pixelpower, that's really reassuring to know

If you felt that the 340hp 3.0 petrol was underpowered, will you be happy with the 258hp 3.0 diesel?

Although, with the greatest respect, comparing diesel and petrol engines by peak horsepower alone tells us very little about the relative power outputs.

syl wrote:

If you felt that the 340hp 3.0 petrol was underpowered, will you be happy with the 258hp 3.0 diesel?

So here is my tuppence worth in a PHEV conversation......

I have owned various cars from RR's to V12 Lamborghinis and in all honesty a PHEV is a world you don't understand until you own one. My last company car was an Outlander PHEV 2.0, and is a good bit lighter than an RR, but what I can say is the following:

Yes they need charged or you will see mpg drop through the floor like a stone in a pond. Yes they need massive high revs when you want a bit of oomph and they sound like are being put under heavy pressure and really doesn't feel good if you love your car and treat it like a 1st born.

On the upside being greener is nicer to the planet and my kids future, and it's only another 6k which compared to Porsche and Merc etc they seem to put much more on their cars for a PHEV I think when I last looked, and the business savings to be made on the tax will be very good. I haven't decided what to do either with my order, but tbh I will probably buy a PHEV as I know what I'm getting but I have little or no way to get money out the company so for me it's a good expenditure. I agree with the town driving etc, and maybe if the systems work like BMW where the save the energy with using the SatNAV for the town driving part of the journey, then it would be interesting to understand the clever parts JLR bring to the table that they have seen from other makers.

I would agree, go drive a few other brands and hear their cars and try and get in the RR demo asap, and hold off the order until on e is available if you are unsure.

On another note, I think the Outlander is a great little 4x4 and very clever and cavernous, but I thought the interior let it down big time, and I tried to get a 5h but couldn't get one, so why advertise them!! Anyway I felt it was over priced for what it was but at 250 quid P11D tax for a 10k car spend via my company which saved me 2k corp tax and I think about 4k P11D tax, it wasn't a bad way to spend the company money. all smug in my new plug!

2021 Westminster Black D300
2013 Vogue SE - gone
Some Porsche Cayenne guff pretending to be a 4x4!!
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The Outlander is so full of cheap, noisy plastic.... and the engine sounds as if it is dying the next ten miles.... All my spelling errorz are belong to me!

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It not a Range Rover for sure. But it does have some kit on it that would make the Range Rover blush.