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vogue16



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remaping for bioethahnol

hi guys
i have seen a land rover specialist who proposes to remap the FF ( 4.4 v8 petrol jaguar engine) for it can run bioethanol at 100%.
Have you heard anything about such modifiaction/remaping ?
any advice about that ?
thanks a lot Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

Post #463683 7th Jan 2018 8:17pm
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Pawl



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Doesn't bioethanol have reduced lubrication properties compared standard pump petrol ?
If it does, using 100% bioethanol could have a very bad effect on wear of valve stems / valve guides perhaps. Paul,
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2006 FFRR TDV8 Vogue 125,000 miles & climbing
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vogue16



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hi pawl
yes perhaps etahnol could have a bad effect on certain parts..
but perhaps not, that is the purpose of my post, tryiing to get some experience feed back if some guys have some. Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

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lounge_on_wheels



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I believe ethanol destroys rubber fuel hoses.

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Danwilderspin



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Sorry what is the purpose of this? If it’s to reduce running costs wouldn’t lpg make more sense as tried and tested?
If it’s performance with the gains youd get a remap intake and exhaust would probably do a better job and not mess the engine up Current stable:
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Pawl



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I think it may be more to do what fuel is available in Vogue16s location ? Paul,
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vogue16



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Danwilderspin wrote:
Sorry what is the purpose of this? If it’s to reduce running costs wouldn’t lpg make more sense as tried and tested?
If it’s performance with the gains youd get a remap intake and exhaust would probably do a better job and not mess the engine up


here bioethanol costs 0.59€/litre so even if my FF is not my daily car , if i can run it with bioethanol without any issues for the car ..why not? Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

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Danwilderspin



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Is lpg not so cheap? Current stable:
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Post #464357 13th Jan 2018 12:40am
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vogue16



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yes perhaps, but the cost for installing LPG is not the same.. Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

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Danwilderspin



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Ahh ok fair enough - well ultimately it’s up to you but lpg is pretty much tried and tested - bioethanol may be great but no one on head can really tell you I doubt... you may be pioneering something here! Current stable:
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vogue16



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yes it seems no one tried ..
but i will not pioneer too far..
even if the running cost is very interesting there is too much dark areas.
i am not sure the jag engine is rerady to accept it, i can not find any information, i tried the jaguar forums and it is the same..
so i think i will just keep my ff stock . Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

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Danwilderspin



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Lpg is still cheaper no? Pretty much tried and tested? Current stable:
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2006 BMW M6

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vogue16



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hi guys
some news about that, for those interested
apparently a company specialised in remaping here, remaped a L322 5.0L supercharged with success,and also a 4.4 with the bmw engine.
The cost is quite reasonable 495€..
it is a flexfuel remaping of the engine management, so you can use bioethanol or petrol as you want.
they guarantee to take your car back to origin if you want for free..
i am tempted to try..
regards Current:L322 V8 4.4 petrol
Previous: range classic x2,Disco 2 x2, Disco3 x2, a few jeeps..,

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zarnd



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If it's not your daily car I wouldn't bother to be honest.

If you do go ahead with it though, be interested to see and hear how you get on.

good luck Alex

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berkshirelad



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    Bio-ethanol is hygroscopic (it absorbs water) so using the vehicle only occasionally may well result is corrosion in the system
    Bio-ethanol has only 70% of the efficiency of petrol so more needs to be burnt to achieve the same performance
    Bio-ethanol does not have the lubricity of petrol and burns much hotter; this may cause damage to the fuel system/injectors and spark plugs
    Pure bio-ethanol is very difficult to start in cold weather. Commercially available fuel containing bio-ethanol has a ratio of 15:85 petrol:bio-ethanol for this reason
    Bio-ethanol is pure alcohol and may well attack plastic or rubber connectors in the fuel system


In short, don't do it

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