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rjbax1978



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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Galway Green

From speaking to the master technician they have only done 1 before and it took 3days
Service department have requested the car is with them for a week just in case!
Have been shown the bulletin and instructions how to do the mod I am somewhat nervous!
And I trained as a toolmaker so know a bit about machining etc
I understand its also affecting the new range rover as well! 2011 TDV8 Galway Green Vogue Se
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Post #179081 22nd Mar 2013 1:30pm
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JohnnyDangerous



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England 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black

Is it a drain or a feed problem ??? One day your life will flash before your eyes......................................make sure yours is worth watching!

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ebajema



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New Zealand 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Galway Green

I have a mechanical engineering background and quite some hands on machining experience (cars, bikes and guns) and I don't like it either, at least not the work done by a "normal" car mechanic. If it is a properly trained machinist, that know how to drill and tap and make sure no metal goes in, fine.

By the sounds of it, it is the return oil anyway, so I would say, shortly after the job, go in and get oil and filter changed Smile MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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rjbax1978



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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Galway Green

I think it's a drain issue from turbo back to the sump 2011 TDV8 Galway Green Vogue Se
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JohnnyDangerous



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England 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black

So they are not drilling into an oil way !!! The drain will only be back into a sump so i cant see the problem, I take it they are saying the oil cannot escape the turbo center cartridge fast enough and is backing up past the seals, we have the same problem on the very large turbos we fit to the Jap cars I build and they have to have a monster size drain to get the oil away. One day your life will flash before your eyes......................................make sure yours is worth watching!

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rjbax1978



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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Galway Green

I don't know the exact position of the pipe but from what I understood its a drain back to either block or sump
When works done I will try and fine out all info
But because they need it for a week it's not booked in until early april 2011 TDV8 Galway Green Vogue Se
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kingpleb



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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Bonatti Grey

Last big turbo i installed was a GT28RS Smile

Standard Fiat oil drain was good so was re-used Smile



Whats the betting the current pipe is like a U bend on a toilet Smile

If its been smoking you best watch for the DPF failure after a while as they aren't meant to take much oil being spat out and it will burger the turbos bearings as well so its quite a costly design issue for JLR. I wonder if other vehicles with the engine share the same design fault.... FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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rjbax1978



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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Galway Green

RFAA you have had exactly the same smoke pattern as what I am experiencing
Very unnerving when the view behind completely disappears! 2011 TDV8 Galway Green Vogue Se
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shalz



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Kenya 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

RFAA and rjbax, I've just seen the same on my car today. I notice it once last month and thought it was just the DPf cleaning out. But saw the same today and exactly as RFAA described. Did they drill as you were told and is the problem fixed? My cars due to go in soon to fix a few other issues so what sshould I tell them to make sure they fix this as well? Is it worth getting the DPf and turbo replaced as well now to avoid a problem later on? MY11 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - "African Queen"

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wslr



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Atacama Sand

It's a job with a 9 hour book time. Diff has to be removed and transmission cooler pipes. Problem relates to a pipe being ineffective in draining oil back to the sump. Big Cry

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Baron



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Baltic Blue

Does anyone know if there is a VIN number range of effected cars available? 4.4 TDV8 Vogue Baltic Blue MY11

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shalz



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Kenya 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

wslr wrote:
It's a job with a 9 hour book time. Diff has to be removed and transmission cooler pipes. Problem relates to a pipe being ineffective in draining oil back to the sump. Big Cry
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here's to hoping that my issue is different and substantially minor.. Big Cry

wslr - did you have this problem with your car as well?

has anyone had any subsequent/consequential issues after this fix? and is there any possibility this could relate to head gasket issues (in the alternative)? MY11 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - "African Queen"

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d3rm0



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RFAA wrote:
I had a similar problem when accelerating and would look out of the rear view mirror to see plumes of white smoke all over the car i had gone past. Took my TDV8 (11.5MY) into the dealer under warranty and it was repaired as a known problem on the 4.4TDV8.

Apparently it is something to do with the "scour pipe" for the turbo and there is a fix for this. I think (not being technical) it has to do with the fact that oil accumulates around the turbo during acceleration and leaks into the exhaust path which causes it to be burnt-off at high temperature.

There is very little loss of performance or effect on the engine other than the unsightly plume of white smoke which is rather embarrassing (it doesn't go when you take your foot off the pedal, which causes you to really panic!).

Take it in and see!!


Had the fix last week on my 12M.Y. It took the dealer 16 hours to complete the mod

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rjbax1978



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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Galway Green

Shalz The dealers had mine for 13 days to fix its quite an involved job apparently and requires the front subframe and suspension legs removing to allow better access, the time on topix is unachievable in the words of the dealers!!.
they did some other work as well but 9 hrs is never going to be a sufficient amount of time they are concerned about swarf contamination etc
the block and oil ways are drilled using special drill guides.
I am told that no damage should have been caused to either turbo or DPF but I am a little sceptical.
my understanding is that specific vin number cars are not affected, it is more down to how the car is driven. if its not thrashed and is driven more steadly this can cause problems.
mine smoked worse after a long steady drive say at 70 on a dual carriageway then pulling away from a roundabout when it would unleash a massive plume!! 2011 TDV8 Galway Green Vogue Se
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Post #190872 28th May 2013 8:21am
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shalz



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Kenya 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

Thanks all for your replies...

rjbax1978 - you will have a pm shortly... MY11 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - "African Queen"

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