detour for 10 miles or sit in one mile of traffic, i'm with you Ade and rather sit in traffic, i mean what better place than a FF to do that in...  ... - .- -.




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I've seen plenty of people who've been sitting in front or or just behind me and turned off to avoid traffic. Only to emerge a few miles further on in much the same place they were to start with!

Sometimes it works, some times it doesn't, but then the key is to drive the car, not follow the satnav like a lemming. If it's going to divert you and you can see it's not worth it, just ignore it, it'll recalculate it's route when you do.

Have to say I'm the opposite; I'd happily keep driving, rather than sit and wait, even if it doesn't gain anything.

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Sometimes it works, some times it doesn't, but then the key is to drive the car, not follow the satnav like a lemming.

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It gives me a position on a map and I can look for approaching roads etc., that's all I ask of it; I rarely use the actual navigation. It would be nice if TMC worked well, but I just take it for what it is.  Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
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A word to the wise about using the "shortest distance" setting on a tomtom, it does exactly what you asked it, and green lanes and river crossings are fair game as far as it's concerned

I was delivering a trailer to Stoner House a few years ago and Pratt nav took me down a green lane, towing, a trailer that was 8 foot wide, 24 foot long and 10 feet tall

And another time it tried to take me over a ford, in the winter, water was over the 2 foot mark on the markers and flowing very fast, I bottled that one and had to find a bridge  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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To be fair the Satnav didn't take you there, it told you where it thought you should go and you believed it.

I do use the satnav, but i do ignore it sometimes, if when i look out the window i can see a better route or don't like the look of the road it was suggesting i use. When i was lorry driving, i quite often had it suggest some totally unsuitable narrow lane, just ignore it and stay on the road you're on and it'll work out a new route.

They're better than having the other half navigate, because when you ignore their advice they don't have a tantrum and go silent. But you should always treat their advice the same as you would from the other half.

Until last week I was deeply unimpressed by the RR sat nav, but last Tuesday (as a result of the M56 closure and massive congestion around the closure) I used the alternative route feature (keeping an eye on where it was taking me rather than following blindly) and it was very good

Not sure I am a convert, (still think the VW system in my wife's Passat is generally better), but I'm more impressed than I was.

I think Land-Rover's problem is they don't have the economies of scale that the likes of VW have, where their satnavs are used in all VAG products with just light cosmetic changes.

It looks like they're getting better now they've standardised the systems across the JLR range. Whereas before the Jaguar and Land-Rover Denso systems were both slightly different, and different again to the Ford systems they were based on. Then you had them designed in such a way that they weren't easily upgradable, so you ended up with the Freelander 2 having a better system than the FFRR of the same age!

These things get out of date quickly, and trying to keep 3 or 4 different systems up to date is too bigger task. It should get better on the current range of vehicles when they get older - doesn't help our older cars.

My buddy over the road has just brought a new tomtom with free life time maps for £75, yes you read that correctly up to date maps for free  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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as long as he doesn't use his tom-tom to direct him to his computer - he'll end up in the shed  405 AB exec seats Baltic and Cirrus
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I think Garmin have always done free map updates. Realistically they know after a few years you'll bin the device and buy a newer one anyway.

At £75 you can afford to bin it every few years, and it still works out cheaper than sticking with OEM. To be fair I might have given the LR system a go, but then I found out that you have to mess about twisting and clicking the destination in, might have been a different story if it was a touch screen  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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The older touch screen like mine is a bit clunky to type with, but then that may be because i've got used to the modern touch screens on smart phones etc.

Those £75 ones could work out expensive if someone sees the sucker mark on your screen and decides to smash the side window and ransack the interior looking for it. The big advantage of built in ones is they're not really worth trying to steal.

I think you'll find that the slightly used and hot to touch market in sat navs has all but dried up, thanks to the Chinese cheapie's, your not going to get much for second hand hot when you can buy new for £30. Buy my reckoning new £30, genuine s/h £15, hot s/h £7.5 to £5. You'd need a lot of those to feed a habit, even if it was happy meal addiction

You can buy New tomtom's from £50 I needed a mortgage to buy the first one

ps, try a non touch screen, you'll soon be lusting after a stick to the windscreen one  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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That's the thing, though smack heads don't care if they only get £5 they're £5 closer to their next fix.

I think the days of the stand alone sat nav are numbered anyway. Most of Tomtoms business now is from selling the map data to third parties, which is what they did before hand. Most people have a smart phone now and they're killing the sales of standalone sat navs, that's why the prices have fallen.

I do love all the expert views on here.

Very entertaining!  2006 4.2 SC
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