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Hunttheshunt



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black
4.4 TDV8 or 5.0 SC

Thinking about returning to the fold. Sold our 4.2SC last year and dabbled with an XC90 which was fine. Eldest about to drive so no longer have the need for 7 seats (if we ever did).

Have read the articles on here about both, I like the idea of the better economy updated gearbox etc of the 4.4, but would probably miss the punch of the SC,(anyone remapped their 4.4) plus they seem to have all bar the 'kitchen sink'.

Looking at the last of the '59's, 2010 and 2011. Don't want to pay more than £24K.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated?

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Gazellio @ Prestige Cars



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover SE Td6 Zermatt Silver

5.0 Supercharged Autobiography its the best L322 by a margin and I drive them all.

4.4TDV8 is nice but has many potential issues and is nowhere near as nice to drive.

See my website.... Whistle

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Hunttheshunt



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Thanks Gary, first thing I did was look at that one..lovely...the door cards and headlining make such a difference!

Wasn't aware there were issues with the 4.4, I knew there were with the 3.6.

Will give you a call.

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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover SE Td6 Zermatt Silver

Turbo related Oil drain issues the main one I worry about.

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mzplcg



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I'd agree. Just sold my L322 5.0 S/C to buy a L405. The 4.4 diesel is a good engine,especially with LR warranty but it's not as light feeling or revvy as the 'Charger. I would have had another S/C but finding a sensibly priced L405 in that guise is a mission.

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n1cktdv8



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2008 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Slightly off topic I know; I considered a 5.0 recently, maybe a bit of a pipe dream but I still couldn't get my head around the fact that once I hitch the tintent on I could well be seeing single figure MPG.

By all accounts a well maintained, serviced and looked after 3.6 or 4.4 diesel would be more than adequate. I'd love a SC but the running costs on fuel are simply not realistic to me. Unless someone can convince me otherwise? Is this where I put the car details and a bit about myself ?........

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Mcnallykev



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Scotland 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Barolo Black

I haven't done real world calcs on the SC but mine seems to get around 11 or 12 with the caravan on. Considering I am only getting 16 anyway it doesn't make much difference Shocked Shocked Big Cry Big Cry

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n1cktdv8



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11 or 12. That's half what I get now but it's not single figures, which is a start Thumbs Up Is this where I put the car details and a bit about myself ?........

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Mcnallykev



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Scotland 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Barolo Black

I'm sure if I drove at lesser speeds it would be better but there is something about the look on other drivers faces when a caravan comes passed them off the slip road!

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mzplcg



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United Kingdom 2014 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Corris Grey

Twin axle Coachman (notoriously heavy) behind my S/C used to average 16 or 17. Behind my 3.6 TDV8 when I had it I was getting 19 or 20.

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Gazellio @ Prestige Cars



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I get 20+ from a 5.0 on a normal cycle driving normally.

I have seen 25+ believe it or not.... (But whats the point)

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Giantlandyman



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Santorini Black
Re: 4.4 TDV8 or 5.0 SC

Hunttheshunt wrote:
I like the idea of the better economy updated gearbox etc of the 4.4, but would probably miss the punch of the SC,(anyone remapped their 4.4) plus they seem to have all bar the 'kitchen sink'.


You haven't driven a 4.4 TDV8 yet then? One thing it isn't lacking is punch and the engine/gearbox combination is sublime.

In the 'Top Trumps', the 4.2 SC is 7.1 secs to 60, the 4.4 TDV8 is 7.5 and the 5.0 SC is 6 secs but in the real world, 700 N·m (516 lb·ft) @ 1,500-3,000 trumps all and combined with easily at least twice the real-world mpg of the SC, for the sake of "potential" (that are nowhere near common) issues, it's a no brainer in my view, especially with so many good, well equipped examples to choose from.

Good luck with your decision and search......I will add, I had the same buying dilemma and WAS set on a 5.0 SC.

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I'd never try to argue with Gary - so I won't and I do have a fairly high mileage 4.4 TDV8 so I am biased but the one thing i would never say it needed was more grunt - in fact a friend of mine who runs a race team offered to chip it for me and I said no!

If I had done anything (which I didn't) I would only have had the economy version of the remap because the last thing I needed was more power!

The petrol engine may be quieter, and not suffer the slight jerk that can be found if you lift off the gas and then reapply it whilst the car is moving slowly (say like at a roundabout) but even that was massively improved by a software update in mine.

Lets be clear if money were no issue I'd have a LWB L405 in Supercharged petrol form, but in the real world where I live 30+MPG, and 35+ on a run and 1500rpm at "ahem" MPH mean the 4.4 TDV8 is a really great piece of kit to live with.

I don't tow a caravan so can't help with that MPG buy I sometimes tow a trailer with a race car on it and the economy goes to 27/30 MPG but the TDV8 just doesn't notice the extra weight up hill or down dale.

Buy what you want but drive the diesel and you'll be amazed - the 8 speed box is fantastic too - possibly even more impressive than the change from 3.6 to 4.4 - it's that good 2016 (L405) Autobiography in Black with Ivory - for ULEZ
2014 (L405) VSE in Black with Ivory
2011 (L322) VSE in Black with Ivory
2005 (3.2 V6) Porsche Cayenne in Black with Savanna
1999 (P38) VSE in Burgundy (?) with Sand

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Gazellio @ Prestige Cars



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover SE Td6 Zermatt Silver

You're as crazy as your Avatar Whistle Wink (GLM)

(People underestimate the importance of the pleasure that a car imbibes in you, For me the smoothness, cabin tranquility and instant response of the Petrol simply makes me want to drive on & on & on....)

PS: Every Diesel I have driven a distance leaves my foot tingling and that's loads of Range/Land Rovers...


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I guess you are referring to Landy on the Avatar Gary - as I don't have one - and this is all in the spirit of fun - you have driven far more Range Rovers than I ever will so I respect you opinion and would probably agree if ever drove a Supercharged but why do you have a dead foot in a diesel....... don't you use the adaptive cruise Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter 2016 (L405) Autobiography in Black with Ivory - for ULEZ
2014 (L405) VSE in Black with Ivory
2011 (L322) VSE in Black with Ivory
2005 (3.2 V6) Porsche Cayenne in Black with Savanna
1999 (P38) VSE in Burgundy (?) with Sand

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