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Freddie The Fish



Member Since: 13 Apr 2017
Location: Bedfordshire
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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover SE 4.4 V8 Fuji White
Question for those that suck....

If you use a sucking device/vacuum to change your oil how much do you get out ? As people generally connect the tube to the top of the dipstick tube I'm wondering how far down it goes or do you use a very small diameter tube and push it right down the tube ?

Not sure what you were expecting to read here but sorry to those that were disappointed.... Shocked

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Rockyd31



Member Since: 17 Dec 2016
Location: Chesterfield
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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

I have a marine oil extractor that works off vacuum and it uses a narrow tube and goes to the bottom of the sump, though it does take approx 15 minutes to extract 6 litres of oil. This is largely due to the viscosity of oil and narrow tube rather than the pump.

Haven't used it on the full fat though as it's too easy to pop in off road height and drop the oil from underneath and it drops more than the capacity of my particular pump😬

Pros for pumps are: conveniant, clean, ease of use and transferring into containers for disposal is simple.

Cons are: time, and the argument of not removing anywhere near the amount swarf from the sump that removing the sump plug achieves.

I have mitigated this in the past by installing a magnetic plug and dropping the oil on full services aposed to pumping the oil at the interim service if that makes sense? Lee

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Freddie The Fish



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover SE 4.4 V8 Fuji White

Thanks for the contribution it's for intermediate changes between garage services, my old dad being a mechanical engineer told me that if you look after the oil then the engine will look after you, I took his advice and 30 years later I still do..

In my eyes the dipstick tube would stop as it enters the casing and not continue a down to the bottom so potentially leaving quite a bit in there, in that case I'll drain it but if it's a litre or less it will suffice till the next service. Time isn't a factor as I'd be quite happy watching it suck while drinking tea, rather that than crawling on the floor.

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Baltic Blue



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Baltic Blue

The oil tube on the 4.4tdv8 is designed specifically for using an oil extraction pump and will allow you to suck out virtually all the oil . G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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steveball



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Bournville

I didn't measure how much came out - but it went into 5l containers and filled one and quite a bit (I think more than half) in another. I added fresh oil and was careful no to overfill. The capacity should be 9l and I'm pretty sure I There wasn't much left of the 10l I purchased.

The suction tube is really quite narrow - much smaller dia than the dipstick tube and it continues to the bottom of the sump. The only problem, possibly, is that the pipe has a tendency to curl, so might come up again.

So long as the engine oil is pretty warm it pumps out quite quickly. It make an oil change quIce, easy and clean. That alone means I'm prepared to do it more often. Current: 2010 Range Rover L322
Vogue SE, TDV8 3.6, Bournville
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Vogue, TD6, Giverney Green

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Freddie The Fish



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover SE 4.4 V8 Fuji White

Thanks, looks like question answered. Now come on opieoils where's my oil....

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diesel Dave



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England 2015 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Be careful using that method on the 3.6 Steveball. They have two sump plugs, one directly under the turbo return that collects sludge, so needs to be removed at each change interval, especially with the turbo issues they "can"suffer. Thumbs Up

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nino_nino



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Bosnia Herzegovina 2012 Range Rover Autobiography Black TDV8 Santorini Black

Freddie, this is my home made vacuum device, old fridge compressor,PVC tubing (150 mm ID) 75 cm height which gives 13 L capacity. With this I can draw 0.8 bar vacuum and it will suck oil (9 L approximately) in around 2-3 minutes. I have used this to bleed brakes,flash coolant, etc, etc.. This setup cost Me around 45 E.













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Freddie The Fish



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover SE 4.4 V8 Fuji White

Love it... great to see someone engineering a solution.

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ajac8



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Baltic Blue

9.5 litres on a 4.4 TDV8. My sucker gets virtually 100% of it via the dedicated suction port next to the filler cap. My sucker kit fits snuggly over the outlet hose and not down it:thumbsup: 405 AB exec seats Baltic and Cirrus
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j_rov



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England 

diesel Dave wrote:
Be careful using that method on the 3.6 Steveball. They have two sump plugs, one directly under the turbo return that collects sludge, so needs to be removed at each change interval, especially with the turbo issues they "can"suffer. Thumbs Up


Diesel Dave & Steveball, I note this comment on the 3.6. How about a hybrid method of sucking the majority out using a vacuum and they draining sludge underneath? __
2018 L405 3.0 TDV6 Vogue SE Fuji White
2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue
1994 3.9 V8 Vogue Ardennes Green - resto project

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

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