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bembo449



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Newb with possible 4.4v8 purchase with gearbox fault

looking to buy an L322 , ive seen one with a gearbox fault where it wont go into 4th , sale ad says but will go as far as 3rd via tip tronic , I am a mechanic with a history of repairing 4x4's mainly Nissan Navaras , so I'm not concerned about doing repairs myself , So shall I risk this L322 and hope I can sort the box issue OR find one without problems ? ive spent a few hours reading about gearbox issues but not found anthing with this specific issue ?
thanks in advance
Simon

Post #445804 26th Jul 2017 11:44am
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RRPhil



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Hi Simon & welcome to the forum.

Is this 4.4 V8 L322 a 5-speed with the BMW engine or a 6-speed with the Jaguar engine?

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Hi phil , going off your chart its a 53 so must be a ZF 5 speed

Post #445826 26th Jul 2017 1:31pm
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The 5HP24 is very straight-forward to repair. I must admit, though, that I haven’t seen that particular issue before. 4th gear uses both the A & B clutches. The A clutch is also used in 1st, 2nd & 3rd so it’s unlikely to be that. Sounds therefore like there may be an issue with the B clutch? Very unusual, though. This is the repair manual for the transmission if you want to have a look through it :

http://www.jagrepair.com/images/AutoRepair...Manual.pdf

I suppose one of the dynamic seals on the stator shaft (ZF p/n 0734 401 248) may have failed but, like I said, that’s very unusual. Strange.

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Thanks for the info so far phil , ive just looked at the add again , it says it wont go into 4th gear , dont know if that helps at all but yiu seem to suggest if i can get it at a good price it will be worth a gamble ?
Thanks
Simon

Post #445844 26th Jul 2017 3:53pm
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Oh i meant to add the car has done 110k miles

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If you look at the typical parts required for a 5HP24 rebuild i.e. overhaul kit, re-manufactured torque converter, b-hub/c-drum bearing, rear casing seal, output shaft O-ring, 3 steel pipes, A-clutch circlip, 11 litres of fluid & a filter - you’re looking at a minimum of £750 for parts. Would it make sense to spend this amount, taking into account the purchase price of the vehicle?

Phil

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I think there lies the issue , buy it and repair whats needed to make it road worthy or buy it and refurb the box completely ( taking it off is a 'mayaswell' cenario ) the current owner must be aware of the cost to retail of a box refurb , hence the sale

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It depends on how much of a bargain it is to start with I suppose. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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If the car is cheap enough to buy and your not afraid to swap gearbox do that, second hand box can be had for £600 ish

Post #445868 26th Jul 2017 6:53pm
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And in case you need a reference point for a re-manufactured unit, I charge £1375 +VAT, including 11 litres of genuine LT71141 fluid and a re-manufactured (by JPAT) torque converter

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(Although unfortunately I’m out of action at the moment because I’m in the middle of moving premises)

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Sorry to hijack , but if your reading thia Phil , what do you charge for a 6hp ( for a 3.6 tdv8) please ? 2015 4.4 AB
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well after all that . It got sold , will have to search again but out of interest is the td6 with a punt with a similar issue ( yes im aware the gearbox was made by kinder egg )

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They're all “worth a punt” if the price is right and you're happy with the model.

Personally I like the TD6, transmission problems or not. I'm not one for new models, been there and done that years ago. I'm quite content with my TD6 and my D1 (and the 2A of course)

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can this thread be closed please with a thankyou to all that inputted info , ive bought a derv L322 that hasn't got a gearbox issue ( yet )

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