The AT3's would seem to be the obvious choice for your particular circumstances. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Yup in your circumstances I would go with either General Grabber or the Radar Renegade AT5. And keep the wheels to no larger diameter than 20”. And keep them to the standard (narrower) size opposed to this oversized big ones. It will prove a much better ride all round and traction as well.

according to the generaltire.co.uk web site they claim that the 'new' at3 is much improved so the 2018 tyre test a couple of pages back might not be accurate for the newer tyre.

they certainly look the business and with the snowflake symbol they will be legally ok as winter tyres abroad.. ... - .- -.




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Thanks for the update. On Mytyres they list 2 AT3's at different prices and the more expensive one has a C wet braking rating and the cheaper one is D rated. The more expensive one is not much cheaper than the Pirelli's though. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Hi, on my L405 I have. 275 45 21 Perelli verde at the moment. I was looking for some General grab 20 inch with wheels.
But just bought what I thought was a fantastic bargain on eBay. Some 275/45/21 AT Grabbers
But the look massive. Will they fit on my rims and then the car ?

Interesting conversation, lots of opinions LOL
So thought I'd share mine too ha ha.

Had General Grabber AT3's my Disco 3, suited that vehicle perfectly and were the correct speed / weight rating for it.
The grip did impress me, but I was aware in the wet I was on AT's and drove accordingly, always allowing extra stopping distance, I didn't expect to stop as quick as the car in front!!!

I will need new boots for the FF later this year (sooner if we get any white stuff) my biggest concern is if what I've read is correct - the AT3's don't meet the FF's speed requirements
SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT MY INSURANCE?
I'm not going to be risking it, just too risky in my mind, would hate to be told my insurance is invalid.
I will only buy correctly rated tires for the FF.

TBH, the extra grunt with which I'm now propelled down the road and the much bigger brakes fitted as std to my FF I don't think the AT3's would cope.


I've driven an L405 (Solihull LR experience) off road on Scorpion Verdes all season I was Impressed, no idea what they are like on road though, or in the snow. Anything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough (and have deep pockets|)
Current cars, 2011 FF 4.4 TVD8; Audit TT 1.8T convertible.

I think you will have to ask your insurer. AFAIK if you fit winter tyres you need to tell them and also if you fit non standard sizes but not sure about the speed rating. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Always stick to the speed rating or go higher. Never go lower as it will invalidate your insurance. Unless regurlarly going offroad there really is no reason to get AT patterned tyres, it is a compromise in all areas but one.

Handbook page 224 says 109 speed rating and H for the winter spec or Y for the all season option
AT3 are 110 and H
So they meet manufacturers winter spec.
I will be checking and recording with insurance  2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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I think '109' is the load rating not speed. Different tyre sizes and types ( i.e winter ) have different speed ratings V, H and Y. Y is 186mph which even with a tail wind downhill I think would be optimistic. When I need new tyres I'll check with my insurer as I think W rated ( 168mph) will be more than adequate. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

I rarely go above 85mph  2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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I doesn’t matter what speed you drive or don’t drive. It’s just a vehicle approval. Same thing like one really should not be driving on winter wheels all year around or on AT tyres. It’s just common sense.

Insurer being informed  2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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not every owner has the funds to be able to afford 2 sets of wheels , one set for winter and one set for summer like you blackdog..

btw what does yours look like on these AT's you are running at the moment, i'm curious and would like to see pics.... and what size are they? ... - .- -.




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Plenty of pictures have been put up, recently and on Facebook.

But come on wheels aren’t expensive. I bought mine second hand, from a member on these very forums. A set of four wheels for less than the price of a tyre.

But LOL mine will be up for sale with tyres once I’ve got my normal 22” back.