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paul_h_8



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Shotgun holder

Well not sure if it is a gun holder but can't think what else it can be. When you fold the middle seat down in the back then open cover what is it?

Will add pics later but just on phone at the Minute enjoying a few cans in the garden. 


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Yes, I believe it'll be the Ski bag.

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Depends where your from.... You wouldn't find ski's in it in Manchester! Shocked My Previous RR's!

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Re: Shotgun holder

paul_h_8 wrote:
Enjoying a few cans in the garden.


Did you have some beers before you came to the conclusion it was a shotgun holder? Laughing

For future reference, the Gun Box looks like this:

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Part #: STC8018AB 

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Re: Shotgun holder

dan_uk_1984 wrote:
paul_h_8 wrote:
Enjoying a few cans in the garden.


Did you have some beers before you came to the conclusion it was a shotgun holder? Laughing

For future reference, the Gun Box looks like this:

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Part #: STC8018AB


can you show links to police approval?

also is it FAC approved?

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Y would it need to be approved?

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nbunney wrote:
Y would it need to be approved?


legislation has tightened up a lot after various 'shootings'

i'd need to be 100% sure it met legislation particularly with regards to FAC

in the 'good old days' just like in USA you could carry an FAC rifle in a cab 'rack' - those days have long gone!

its now difficult staying in a hotel that does not provide 'secure' storage - we used to take the 'bolt/action' out and chain the 'guns' to say a radiator - no longer legal!

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It's bolted through the floor of the car using special anti-tamper fittings so you cant remove it from the car whilst the box is locked in place.

I didnt think you needed to get your transport inspected by the popo, just your gun storage at home?

I'd say it's tougher to get into than the Holland & Holland chest in the boot of the RR. 


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But approved storage is only applicable to normal storage place.

Otherwise we could not use slips etc. When away from the home, reasonable precaution only is needed.

What I would say, ref. FAC, is to make sure you always have the bolt on you, unless you are going to shoot.

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dan_uk_1984 wrote:
It's bolted through the floor of the car using special anti-tamper fittings so you cant remove it from the car whilst the box is locked in place.

I didnt think you needed to get your transport inspected by the popo, just your gun storage at home?


and in transit Dan!

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nbunney wrote:
But approved storage is only applicable to normal storage place.

Otherwise we could not use slips etc. When away from the home, reasonable precaution only is needed.

What I would say, ref. FAC, is to make sure you always have the bolt on you, unless you are going to shoot.


very 'grey' area as each force has a different definition of 'so as to prevent unauthorised/illegal access'?

i've asked two licensing officers from different forces and got two different answers - Kent were obstructive to say the least - Tayside were fine Thumbs Up

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nick h wrote:
dan_uk_1984 wrote:
It's bolted through the floor of the car using special anti-tamper fittings so you cant remove it from the car whilst the box is locked in place.

I didnt think you needed to get your transport inspected by the popo, just your gun storage at home?


and in transit Dan!


Surely its a lot safer locked in your car than when you're walking round the fields with it, which could also be classed as transit? 

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dan_uk_1984 wrote:
nick h wrote:
dan_uk_1984 wrote:
It's bolted through the floor of the car using special anti-tamper fittings so you cant remove it from the car whilst the box is locked in place.

I didnt think you needed to get your transport inspected by the popo, just your gun storage at home?


and in transit Dan!


Surely its a lot safer locked in your car than when you're walking round the fields with it, which could also be classed as transit?


don't be silly Mr. Green

when in use its under your control

i spent nearly 10 years dealing with FAC 'weapons' on a daily basis as part of my busines

own/owned - .243/.270/.308 Mr. Green

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I can find nothing to suggest that your vehicle storage must be inspected by the police, just that you are bound by your FAC or SGC to ensure that reasonable measures are taken to protect your gun from theft whilst in transit:

Reasonable precautions must be taken for the safe custody of the rifle and shotgun. The Rules do not define reasonable precautions. Many of the cases on this Condition arise from the theft of guns from motor vehicles. What amounts to “reasonable precautions” may differ depending on the circumstances.

For example, a short direct drive on country roads from home to a local shoot requires minimal precautions. However, if the journey is via the Certificate Holder’s business premises in the local town, then the gun should at least be concealed in the vehicle and not on view.

On a long-distance journey, undertaken on major trunk roads and motorways, it is suggested an altogether higher standard of precautions are required if they are to be deemed reasonable. For instance, the rifle or shotgun could be attached to the vehicle by some form of security chain. It can be concealed from view. It can be disabled by the removal of the barrel beforehand or a patent barrel blocking device. Precautions should also be taken as to the parking and immobilising of the vehicle containing the gun. Either one or a combination of some of these procedures might be used.

Rifles and Guns are sometimes stolen from vehicles parked in pub car parks. If possible, guns should not be left in cars during lunch breaks or after shooting or stalking. If there is no alternative, then some or all of the precautions mentioned above are desirable.

The Gamekeeper, who routinely carries firearms in his work vehicle, must guard against them being insecure at any time. His routine may be studied by would-be thieves who well know he is likely to have his guns in his vehicle. Whilst these firearms may be the tools of his trade, a theft of them from his vehicle, even parked outside his house for an hour or so, could result in prosecution and revocation and loss of livelihood. He must use all the security strategies and devices he can to try to minimise the risk of firearms theft.


However, I'm certainly no expert in this field, whereas if you've had experience in this subject I bow to your knowledge. 

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