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garyRR



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Oil cooler seals on my 4.4 were done by the previous owner - have the receipt for that.

I think the 2nd turbo affects most 4.4 owners. The turbo actuators aren't programmed to open until around 2,400rpm. Because the engine rarely goes above about 2,100rpm, the turbo is very seldom used - maybe once or twice a week for most people. Because there's no continual boost pressure and the oil runs above ambient air pressure, there's no air pressure to hold the oil back behind it's seals.

As a result, residual oil can slowly seep through the seals and accumulate in the turbo. Next time the turbo is fired up, this oil gets burned off.

Land Rover never formally acknowledged a design fault and never announced a recall, most likely because it wasn't a) safety related and b) it wasn't a cheap fix and would cost them money. Don't know how they got away with it though.

The answer? Well, they sort of acknowledged a flaw and released a maintenance update and drain kit - basically a pipe running from the turbo to the engine sump so, it took all oil pressure away. Lucky early owners might have managed to convince their dealer to install the modification under warranty. No such luck for anyone these days.

Options? Well, one is to buy the kit and get a Land Rover specialist to install the drain but, it's over £1-2k worth of work. The other? Well, in this scenario, a regular old Italian tune up really is good for this engine. It puts regular pressure through the turbo, helping prevent build up of oil deposits and burning anything off in tiny doses that you don't notice. Oil usage around 0.2-0.5L per 10,000 miles. On an engine holding 9 litres of oil, that's hardly noticeable. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

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DrRob



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Advice I give all 4.4 tdv8 owners is.....
Boot it daily above 2.5K when warm.
Done. Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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Bl4ckD0g



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Netherlands 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Santorini Black

Cars like to be driven, engines like to do their thing. Heck it is even good for us humans to run Thumbs Up

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garyRR



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...and V8s were invented so we don't have to. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

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Bl4ckD0g



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Netherlands 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Santorini Black

No no no no. That is not right.

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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Not gone over 2k rpm in nearly a month Shocked 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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Bl4ckD0g



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Netherlands 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Santorini Black

OMFG That is terrible. Your poor car.

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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

All M-way miles. Stop start short urban trips is what kills them. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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PeteT80



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

DrRob wrote:
Advice I give all 4.4 tdv8 owners is.....
Boot it daily above 2.5K when warm.
Done.

Totally agree. Can’t beat the Italian tune up method. Good for the engine and also good for your face muscles when the smile appears.

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Bl4ckD0g



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Netherlands 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Santorini Black

Definitely, engines like it, and it makes most of us humans smile.

Only today picking up our 34 year old car from the body shop they recommended an engine overhaul and service, I was like nah it just needs to be driven after being in the body shop for three months. And voila by the time we got home it was smooth as anything again. Besides my daughter and I know the engine as we rebuild it during the first lock down.

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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Actually for diesels is sustained moderate load that keeps them healthy and heavy power surges create the soot. My smiles these days come from doing a long journey and feeling more relaxed at the end than I did when I set off which to to me is the essence of the L322 experience. Plenty of cars will give you the thrill of going fast and furious but few will give you pleasure when you take it easy. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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matthews



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Summed that up beautifully , done rallying , comp safaris and hill rallies , had numerous silly 4wd japan turbo estates and big coupes , get in the RR do 500 miles in Censored weather and get out the other end relaxed , if you need to overtake just plant your foot and let the torque do it's thing , love mine just be careful overtaking 3 or 4 HGV's with a caravan on the back as the 100mph bleep I have my speed warning set at is a bit of a surprise when towing (only done it once !!). 4.4 everyday for me .

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darrenm



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

All range rovers have issue it all depends on how it’s been looked after

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Bl4ckD0g



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Hmmm using the engine doesn’t cause soot, don’t mistake the symptom of another problem for the cause. If it does that you have a problem.

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garyRR



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I think soot is being confused.

Not all engines enjoy an Italian tune up.

The 4.4 specifically benefits from it because of the 'design fault' with the engine.

A hard ride to burn off a few ml of excess oil due to pushing past a seal is very different to inefficient diesel/air mixture. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

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