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AJGalaxy2012 Member Since: 11 Jun 2018 Location: Gainsborough Posts: 1464 |
Nice video of the Toyota Hydrogen Car production line, oh my, it does look very complex and cumbersome.
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27th Dec 2022 11:31am |
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Andy S Member Since: 16 Jun 2013 Location: Sevenoaks Posts: 1010 |
Complex and cumbersome eh, so like an internal combustion engine then…… |
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27th Dec 2022 1:15pm |
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AJGalaxy2012 Member Since: 11 Jun 2018 Location: Gainsborough Posts: 1464 |
On a fuel that costs a shed load more to produce and is full of issues. Apart from that it's great. BMW i3 Electric Car
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27th Dec 2022 2:55pm |
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AJGalaxy2012 Member Since: 11 Jun 2018 Location: Gainsborough Posts: 1464 |
The major problem with Hydrogen is it take 3 x the amount of power to obtain it than it creates when it's used. So you can use wind turbines but you may as well just load the electricity into batteries and get 3 x more energy in terms of miles if you use a fuel cell'd vehicle, if you put it into an ICE then its nine times. BMW i3 Electric Car
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27th Dec 2022 5:14pm |
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Weegie Member Since: 09 Jun 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 3233 |
That may be as things stand currently but future development may, possibly will, change that.
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27th Dec 2022 5:50pm |
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AJGalaxy2012 Member Since: 11 Jun 2018 Location: Gainsborough Posts: 1464 |
Just watch this from 06:10 professor David Cebon - Cambridge University, he explains all about Hydrogen and why it reall will not and can not work cost effectively.
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27th Dec 2022 8:37pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
Well that's certainly one opinion. The screenshot looks like clickbait TBH
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27th Dec 2022 8:46pm |
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KurtVerbose Member Since: 08 Aug 2010 Location: Les Arses Posts: 5848 |
That's an open mind ready to look at all the facts and have a reasoned debate.... |
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27th Dec 2022 9:57pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
I work with BEV's every day and have done for several years - and consequently have completed the training and familiarisation required by several manufacturers, I've learned enough to know that they don't fit my lifestyle out of work, nor am I happy to adapt to the requirements & constraints ownership imposes on people. That's why I added the qualifier 'for me.'
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27th Dec 2022 10:55pm |
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AJGalaxy2012 Member Since: 11 Jun 2018 Location: Gainsborough Posts: 1464 |
I think it's a little inaccurate to claim your alternative view is more balanced, Prof Cebon IMHO is very factual about Hydrogen and explains the reasoning behind his analysis and outcomes. It was very interesting looking at the article in the link you provided, and certainly some different angles. The table toward the end however speaks volumes about the efficiency of the various fuel technologies to propel a vehicle:- Fossil Fuel 13% Hydrogen 22% Electricity 73% Toyota with their Miria Hydrogen car have had some difficulties with air pollution blocking the filters to the fuel cell, some users having to have the costly filters changed every month. One the for sure, necessity is the mother of invention, there will be a lot of inventing going on over the next few years. BMW i3 Electric Car 2012 Full Fat RR 4.4 TDV8 (now gone) 2006 VW Touareg 3.0 TDi V6 |
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28th Dec 2022 3:47am |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
It's not inaccurate at all, the link presents pro's and con's as they were seen in 2018, I can't see any bias although the information is pretty lightweight in content. TBH it was the first article I came across that didn't appear to have an agenda. By your signature, you've already become convinced by the BEV option, so you're going to have some bias, unconscious or otherwise.
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28th Dec 2022 7:16am |
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SamThomas Member Since: 12 Nov 2021 Location: South East Posts: 293 |
Which is why I am sceptical about the "experts". What, if they have got it wrong again - the infrastructure required to change to EV's is far more reaching than the shift from petrol to diesel. |
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28th Dec 2022 9:47am |
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KurtVerbose Member Since: 08 Aug 2010 Location: Les Arses Posts: 5848 |
Ok, point taken. For the record, I'm for any technology that gets us to net zero. I don't have an axe to grind either way re BEV vs hydrogen. Each has their problems and benefits. As you've written BEV's need to sort out the sourcing and recycling of their battery materials. As for reliability, there are a lot of BEV owners who've clocked up some impressive miles with older vehicles. When I look at the odd forum I don't see much difference between BEV's and ICE's. If anything it's the BEV's that seem more reliable. This forum is a case in point. I'm really just interested in the numbers, and 3 times the energy costs just so you can fill up in a few mins would make me favour a BEV, especially as I can refuel a BEV mostly at home. I just think at the moment for road transport BEV's make a lot of sense and I'd rather hydrogen was used to get aeroplanes and even ships off fossil fuels. |
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28th Dec 2022 11:48am |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3162 |
The 'experts' didn't get it wrong about diesel as at the time the main issue was CO2 emissions and for anyone doing a lot of miles like me diesel is still the fuel of choice by a fair margin. The issue with all future tech is that the 'future' is very difficult to predict and different power sources will have to compete at the same time until a solution emerges. In the early days of the internal combustion engine users had to deal with scarcity of fuelling stations and other infrastructure and likley for a lot of people a horse was still a viable mode of transport but that doesn't mean we should have kept the horse. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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29th Dec 2022 1:26pm |
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