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47p2



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I would love to have some sort of diagnostics for my FFRR, but the choice out there is mind boggling and from what I've read there is no single application which covers all aspects of the FFRR Big Cry

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ric355



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scarey wrote:
heads up....version 26 is available ...RAC now has air suspension calibration and instructions on 'how to'..


Excellent news !

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Have done the calibration tonight - easy enough job but make sure you read the instructions first as it's easy to crash the software if you don't follow the process and press a button at the wrong moment. This is slightly worrying as the instructions explicitly say once you've started there's no going back so for it to crash half way through it leaves you wondering whether you've knackered it. No harm is actually done though.

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ok, i've watched the video and read the instructions but what does the calibration actually do? ... - .- -.




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scarey wrote:
ok, i've watched the video and read the instructions but what does the calibration actually do?


It ensures the car sits level when on a level surface, and sets the ECU up so that the height readings, which are derived from the voltages generated by the height sensors, are representative of the actual height of the car (relative to the normal height). So when you choose "read height" post calibration the heights will say something like 1 0 5 3 mm instead of something stupid like -100 350 0 268 mm. As the car performs plausibility checks on the air suspension, a non calibrated system might be more likely to go into a failsafe mode - but I'm only theorizing here.

So if you have one corner sitting low (but do not have a leak on that corner) the calibration process will correct it. All it is doing is working out the difference between the measured hight from a tape measure and the measured height from the height sensors at each corner and correcting the reference data held in the ECU.

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scarey wrote:
yet another unit for messing with the suspension...bit cheaper than the RAC and steves thing..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-L322...2c5e9b2c76

As the others have said, this is 'Steve's thing' (should actually be called 'Christian and Patrick's thing' as they originally put it together) Laughing
These are the last of the original EASControl units for permanent mounting (vs. a quick OBD plug-in). You have to open the dash to get at the EAS ECU to attach the wires. But this is the original product... 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s
(wife thinks I'm nuts - prob right, too)

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@ ric, thanks for the explanation..

@steve, Thumbs Up ... - .- -.




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47p2 wrote:
I would love to have some sort of diagnostics for my FFRR, but the choice out there is mind boggling and from what I've read there is no single application which covers all aspects of the FFRR Big Cry

Actually, I disagree. All in all your choices are limited to 4 manufacturers for 2002-05 FFRR's and 3 for the later 06-09 (I'm not including the several the several thousand pound professional garage systems such as Autologic):
- for the 2002-05 ffrr the only units that make sense are the Hawkeye, Blackbox Faultmate, RAC, or the GAP IIDTool
- fot the later ffrr the Hawkeye, Blackbox Faultmate, and GAP IIDTool

All 4 units will read an clear faults on most systems. As far as programming goes, you need to check which systems interest you - only the Faultmate offers relatively comprehensive capabilities (and costs 4-5 times as much as the others). The IIDTool will be making a large leap forward here with the fall SW update. Storey is working on this as well. 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s
(wife thinks I'm nuts - prob right, too)

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out of all the units you have listed steve, only one can be used on different vehicles without the extra cost..i should think that is a big reason to buy it.. ... - .- -.




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Quite true Stan, forgot to mention that in light of the 'hobby' user. But then you really shouldn't be complaining about updates, should you? Laughing

Seriously, though:
- RAC - no VIN lock
- IIDTool - 2 VINs included (may change to only 1 for the production version, tho) addtl VINs $50(GBP31 at the current Xchange)
- Hawkeye 1 VIN and GBP145 for an additional VIN
- Faultmate 1 VIN and about GBP250 for an addtl VIN (not 100% sure tho - have read differing info) 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s
(wife thinks I'm nuts - prob right, too)

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SteveMFr wrote:
Quite true Stan, forgot to mention that in light of the 'hobby' user. But then you really shouldn't be complaining about updates, should you? Laughing

Seriously, though:
- RAC - no VIN lock
- IIDTool - 2 VINs included (may change to only 1 for the production version, tho) addtl VINs $50(GBP31 at the current Xchange)
- Hawkeye 1 VIN and GBP145 for an additional VIN
- Faultmate 1 VIN and about GBP250 for an addtl VIN (not 100% sure tho - have read differing info)



If by VIN youu are refering to a specific vehicle you are mistaken reagrds the Hawkeye. You have to unlock the Hawkeye tool for each model so you can do multiple vehicles and sub models EG l322 will cover Diesel and petrol etc 
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Really? Then the description is rather poorly worded on the Bearmach web shop (mailorder4x4):

BA 5075 Hawkeye Diagnostics Additional Vehicle Unlock Code.
The unit is supplied with one vehicle unlock code, additional unlock codes can be purchased to allow the unit to be used on multiple vehicles.

Price: £145.00 (Excluding VAT at 20%)


Is it possible that this was changed for later versions of he Hawkeye? 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s
(wife thinks I'm nuts - prob right, too)

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Its bad wording they mean additional unlock codes can be bought for additional models . 

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I can plug my Hawkeye in to anyones FFRR near me and read and clear the Faults codes etc Wink Wink 

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In my thread Hawkeye.....http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic7544.html?highlight=

The description in post No1 clearly states:


When you purchase the HawkEye diagnostic tool you are automatically entitled to your FREE unlock code which will enable you to use the product on one Land Rover model of your choice. Once purchased, the firmware of the unit is fully upgradeable as new applications are released. You can also include more than one Land Rover model on your Hawkeye diagnostic tool by purchasing further unlock codes.


http://www.paddockspares.com/hawkeye-diagnostic-tool.html


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