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Jr-auto-electrics



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Vibration while stationary in drive

I have a vibration issue when I pull up at the lights etc when in drive

I've tried 3 wheel sizes 18 19 and 20 and I still get the same vibration

I changed the auto box oil / filter when I had the car around 2 years ago little dirty but nothing to bad 55000 miles

It drives fantastic selects gears etc like it should no banging in to gears etc

I found a local LR specialist who did me the 19"wheel upgrade to the software
But all that seamed to do was lift the revs up slightly... That was 6 months ago.

It seams to pull away to much when you release the foot brake...

Is it possible to some how turn down the drag on the auto box when ticking over

I drove a customers car today same as mine and wheels, his didn't seam to want to pull away so fast when I take my
Foot of the brake when in drive.

I've had enough now with this and want to get it sorted ASAP

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I thought the vibration was "normal", and why Land Rover didn't initially fit 19" wheels to the Td6.

Its caused becuase the driveshaft goes through the engine sump.

I'm not sure if stan posted something explaining physically why it happens and whats it actually called.

Mine is not too bad, but I never sit with it in D and the foot on the brake.

There has also been a thread on here about the rights and wrongs of doing that generally.

For what its worth, I think this issue got worse on mine when I had the driveshaft recall thing done last Christmas, but that could be subjective.

I imagine you know most of this already, but I suspect you may have a "normal" vibration issue, and a secondary issue about how much it wants to pull away when you have your foot on the brake.....

.......could be wrong ?

Mine doesn't always vibrate the same if I hold it in D on the brake............ 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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Thanks MJ

I know a little about the wheel size vibration etc that's why I had the software update done

But that just seam to increase the tick over speed.

The car I drove today was exactly the same as mine
Yes it had a very small vibration but nothing compared to mine
Also it was very slow at pull off with out any acceleration

Where as mine pulls away quicker with out any acceleration

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Here's one question is there any fluid in a torque converter???? RANGE ROVER 04 TD6
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I don't know if this will work for you.
I had the normal and very slight vibration when sitting in Drive at lights etc on 18in wheels, nothing to worry about but selecting P when stationary cured it.
But...... I recently started adding two stroke oil to my diesel in the ratio 1:200.
Td6 by the way.
The vibration whilst stationary in drive has disappeared completely Thumbs Up
Why I have no idea whatsoever unless it is something to do with the fuel burn now causing a different frequency of engine vibration which has moved away from the unfortunate resonant frequency causing the initial vibration.
Could of course be something wrong with mine. Smile
All I can say is the vibration has gone, the car sits quietly in drive at traffic lights now with no vibration, sometimes I can hardly tell if it is still running.
I make no claims for this, it may or may not work for you, but it might be worth a try. If you do try it I would be interested to know if it had any effect.
As an aside my car definitely runs quieter with the two stroke oil in it particularly on start up.

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What made you decide to add the two-stroke oil in the first place ? 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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I'd come across this in diesel engines before but had never got round to it.
I happened to be reading a thread on Disco 3 where quite a few people have added the two stroke with varying results but quite a few seem to think they notice a difference in how quiet it makes the engines.
I thought I would give it ago. Definitely makes it quieter but the lack of any vibration when standing still in drive was something I didn't expect.
I intend carrying on doing it for a few months during the winter just to see how it goes.

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Fair enough. I imagined all sorts of oil type exhaust smoke, but if its onlt 1 to 200, it seems pretty minimal.

I believe there is oil in the torque converter, as its what acts like a flywheel on a manual car, and adds "weight" to the motion, and helps to damped out any uneven vibrations, if that makes any sense ?

As to how you check it, or what it is, I've no idea.

Gearbox folks on here will prob explain better and more accurately........ 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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Sounds about right with the two stroke but think ill leave that until I've sorted the underlying problem first

Does this make sense what if the oil in the Tc was a little thick making the drive to the wheels start a little early??


Been out for a Balti tonight and parked the car on a slope, when I started it in park I had the same vibration I get at the lights etc?????? Now I'm confused any one explain???? RANGE ROVER 04 TD6
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Jr-auto-electrics wrote:
and parked the car on a slope,



Was the weight of the vehicle on the gearbox pawl, this would put a strain on the box and cause the symptoms

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The fluid in the TC is shared with the auto gearbox its actually a version of ATF fluid. Might be worth changing the fluid as a starter the proceedure is detailed in the Wiki above under "td6 auto box oil change".i

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Yes the weight was on the gearbox , not sure what part of the gear box is a pawl. I thought that was a sort of ratchet system
Neutral

I changed the fluid/filter last winter so about ten months ago? RANGE ROVER 04 TD6
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Texamatic 7045 e is what I used

Still 1 litre left in garage RANGE ROVER 04 TD6
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Not good practice to let the gearbox take the weight of the vehicle on an incline as it is possible to damage the parking pawl.

The correct method of applying the parking brake is

1. Bring the vehicle to a halt and keep your foot on the footbrake pedal
2. Move the gear selector into the neutral position
3. Apply the handbrake
4. Lift your foot off the footbrake pedal (if parked on an incline the vehicle will move a small amount which is perfectly normal)
5. Move gear selector into the park position


Following this procedure means the gearbox pawl is not taking the weight of the vehicle and putting a strain on the transmission when you restart the engine

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+1 for the above, if you don't do it already......... 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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