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Boydonegood



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Should I touch it??!

Hay all

I've finally let my old P38 go and took off some of the shiney bits to sell. Lad came down and picked up the sidesteps in his very clean P38 he'd just brought! Car was clean, only fault was where the original owner hadn't used the hilldecent option (shifting the gear lever to the left for hill decent etc) he was starting to have issues with the transfer box.

Started me wondering, I've owned this 2004 for a year now and haven't touched these 2 switches by the gear selecter. To be fair I don't even have a clue what to do with them! Whistle

Is it an idea to use them every now and then? (Like aircon) to keep everything useable incase something seizes up and bites me in the arse. Or shall I just forget that they exsist?

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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Yes its advisable to use them on a monthly basis but............. If you haven’t used them in a long while then they could move half way between high & low and stick your transfer box in N Shocked leaving you high & dry with no drive!

The high/low motors are problematic and i think, its because they don’t get used very often!

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mjdronfield



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And to your future secondary issue, air con should really be on all the time to keep the seals lubricated so the gas doesn't seep out.

There are posts and various views on this of course. Some of the views are wrong Rolling with laughter

I drop it into low range every month or so, just to keep things moving.

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Boydonegood



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Doh!!
Cheers guys. So aircon to be left on from now on.

Torn what to do with these switches now! If to take a chance and start using them or leave well alone. It was a new Landrover genuine box when I got it so hopefully a year down the line shouldn't be too seized yet?

Next stupid question. But what's the procedure to use them once a month? Is it literally sit in park and flick the switches. As say I don't really know what they are or if/how I'd ever use them Embarassed Accept, some days your the pigeon, some days your the statue!

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"And to your future secondary issue, air con should really be on all the time to keep the seals lubricated so the gas doesn't seep out."

That's not strictly correct these days with the synthetic seals now used.
Used to be the case in the days of rubber seals.

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Boydonegood wrote:
But what's the procedure to use them once a month? Is it literally sit in park and flick the switches. As say I don't really know what they are or if/how I'd ever use them Embarassed


From the owners handbook:
"With the vehicle stationary and the engine running, apply the foot brake and then move the automatic gearbox selector to the ‘N’ (neutral) position before moving the transfer gear switch fully rearwards. When the switch is released, it returns to the default position."

Operate the switch again to return to High range.

Pretty much "literally sit in neutral and flick the switches" Smile John
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Problem is that even though you got a new gearbox, they probably won't have changed either the transfer box or the shift motor - nor tested them Shocked

If you are really concerned, might be worth removing the shift motor and bench testing, some useful powerfuluk videos on how to do this floating around. Thumbs Up .
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The hill descent will work in high or low, so you can try that without worry. It uses the abs system to keep the car stable and below a set speed when descending. You leave the foot brake well alone during these slippery declines, unless you want to stop when back on level ground of course....... Touching the brake stops the hdc.

It should be in the manual and there are loads of videos online.

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Boydonegood



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Ah cheers guys!

May be a Bank holiday Monday project!

Thanks all!!

Tel Accept, some days your the pigeon, some days your the statue!

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Zirconblue



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nicedayforit wrote:
"And to your future secondary issue, air con should really be on all the time to keep the seals lubricated so the gas doesn't seep out."

That's not strictly correct these days with the synthetic seals now used.
Used to be the case in the days of rubber seals.


And it doesn't need to be run 'all the time', so long as you switch it on and run it for a period, say 20 min or so, every month or couple of weeks. AC also dries the air too though, so it will stop it misting up in there if you leave it on all the time.

It's a little like electric cooling fans, they don't get used during the winter, so when summer comes you find they're seized up, the same can apply to the mechanical parts of the AC system, if not used for months they get stuck.

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Boydonegood wrote:
Doh!!
. As say I don't really know what they are or if/how I'd ever use them Embarassed


Low range basically gives you access to an extra set of gears. (your car actually has 10 forward gears and 2 reverse)

They're intended for hauling heavier loads and moving off on very steep gradients. Think of the range changer as being like the front set of sprockets on a mountain bike, a bike might only really have 7 gears but the 3 ranges on the front make it 21. You'd only really use the smallest front sprocket for really steep hills.

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Use mine when towing, regularly. The bit that fails is the electrical contact ring in the shift motor, peeps were trying to source the part a while back as the shift motors are silly money.

They changed to a magna steyr box on the face lifts afaik, which seem to be fairly robust though slightly prone to leaks. Mine did on the ff, and is starting to on the D4. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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What? Air con on all the time so gas doesn't escape? Are these luxury cars actually rubbish or what, my 94 toyota Celica air con hasn't been recharged since I bought it in 2007 and although I rarely use it it still goes as cold as your freezer when you need it. Dan

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I'm told by our AC man that refrigerant has changed dramatically over the past 10yrs meaning it is now far less polluting & poisonous when it escapes but, the downside to it is, it has a shorter lifespan especially if not used regularly...

Another PLUS for using AC all the time is it keeps your internal ECU's dry/er from condensation...

There's a reason why AUTO puts the AC on... As that's what the manufacturer designed the system/car to do! Thumbs Up

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mjdronfield wrote:
The hill descent will work in high or low, so you can try that without worry. It uses the abs system to keep the car stable and below a set speed when descending. You leave the foot brake well alone during these slippery declines, unless you want to stop when back on level ground of course....... Touching the brake stops the hdc.

It should be in the manual and there are loads of videos online.

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Not quite right Mark, with the HDC you can control the speed the car will descend by using the brake or the accelerator, leave it alone and it picks the speed, sometimes this is too low or too high, gentle braking will reduce the speed and accelerating will increase it, It works up to 35mph in high box... If you ever do a hill climb that you think may not work then you can engage HDC before going up, it will drive normally until it senses you are going down hill, so you can drive up the hill OK but if you fail and stop then a quick change into reverse and take your feet off and it will control your decent backwards, this is a great feature as it stops the front wheels locking and the car spinning sideways and then rolling over back down the hill...

When working it makes quite a grinding noise as the pump works the individual brakes, it doesn't sound good but is quite normal...

The later face lifted cars are even better, you can control the speed of the HDC with the cruise buttons...

When HDC is working it puts on the brake lights to let followers know.... Pete
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