Zirconblue wrote:

Because in the UK you're legally required to use one.

miggit wrote:

And then we come to the "hand brake" for the limp wristed, little flicky lever, they go wrong more than they work, and that is with out rusting your pads to the discs

Why did they have to mess around with the handbrake, it wasn't broke so why did they fell the need to fix it?

The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 or Highway code section 239 covers requirement for handbrake and use of 56 TDV8 Vogue SE
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Strider wrote:

Sadly the old bus has to stand on my drive in all weathers as its to big to fit in my garage.

Anyway, started up as usual today, handbrake off (light went out), selected reverse, R/O/S pads wouldnt release. Tried on/off a few times with door open, could hear the stepper motor cycling, went forwards a few inches,
still nothing .

Thought, oh well lets go for it, selected reverse with a few revs, the back offside proceeded to lift then heard a BANG , and pads had freed off. Went for a short drive, returned and gingerly tried it all seems ok.

Question:-
Are there springs that hold the pads against adjustable stops or is the electric motor hard linked to the pads, a schematic of that area would be much apperciated or point me in the direction of a pic.

Peter
NB: Now with colder weather coming ive decided to park using the auto box selector until i can sort this out.

Strider, your “E” brake has two functions sir... 1, it acts as a parking brake below around 10mph & 2, above a certain speed it then acts as an emergency brake! Try driving at 30+mph and flick the switch up! BRACE YOURSELF! and make sure you have no one following you!! As it applies the EBA and tries to force you & the contents of your car through the windscreen! So, do NOT let toddlers (that like to fiddle with switches) sit in the front when traveling

Its good practice occasionally to drive at walking pace and flick your parking brake on & off a few times as it cleans all the surfaces up and lowers the risk of it sticking on!

Hope that helps

Strider, your “E” brake has two functions sir... 1, it acts as a parking brake below around 10mph & 2, above a certain speed it then acts as an emergency brake! Try driving at 30+mph and flick the switch up! BRACE YOURSELF! and make sure you have no one following you!! As it applies the EBA and tries to force you & the contents of your car through the windscreen! So, do NOT let toddlers (that like to fiddle with switches) sit in the front when traveling Shocked

Its good practice occasionally to drive at walking pace and flick your parking brake on & off a few times as it cleans all the surfaces up and lowers the risk of it sticking on!

Hope that helps

Yes it does very much Craig thank you ,
I like the suggestion of operating it at walking pace to clean up the surfaces.

It takes me back to when i had my master cylinder fail on my 81' 4 door on the A1M (both circuits failed no fluid leaks anywhere, we diagnosed it as both sets of master cylinder seals had failed together).
I had to use the transmission brake plus changing down (5 speed manual) to slow me down from 70mph so i could go down a exit ramp and stop safely.
The smell of cooked pads when i eventually stopped was incredible plus the blue smoke coming into the cabin really focussed my mind .

Peter

I wonder whether the handbrake is actually the problem. My experience is the same as that of 47p2, in that if I put the car into the garage after washing (and particularly if wheel cleaner had been used) the pads can stick to the discs. I don't apply the handbrake when the car is in the garage as the floor is level, it is just in 'Park'. There is a bang when the pads release from the discs and as 47p2 says the best thing is to drive the car after washing to dry and clean the brakes and discs. Only Range Rovers since 1988

The bang will be the normal rear pads sticking to the disc surface as they pretty much hover over the disc... However i will say, the cheaper the pads, the more metal will be in them! And we all know what happens to bare metal with water on it!

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Andy_J wrote:

The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 or Highway code section 239 covers requirement for handbrake and use of

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UPDATE:

Well this morning before going shopping I tried the above cleaning method at very very slow walking pace.
The car stopped like i'd hit a brick wall, do it at 30mph? NO WAY!!.
It certainly showed me how powerful and fast the handbrake operates. All good now

Peter

Haylands wrote:

Can't see the point of a handbrake on an auto anyway.... what's the point?? never used it on any auto I've had... !!

I don't know the exact bit of legislation, I'm not that sad , but you don't necessarily need a hand brake but rather two methods of braking, I think. Basically if one system fails there's a back up. Its the same reason why we have "power assisted" steering on vehicles capable of >40mph or something. If the power steering fails you still have a mechanical linkage. I think a lot of this is legacy from when hydraulics in cars were new and untrusted.

I did hear something that JCB had to create a vastly complex steering setup for the Fastrac because it could do >40mph, and the tyres so big. The fact that this steering system is probably more unreliable than normal PAS is beside the point. Ed

I said "what's the point" not "why do we have to have one"

Doesn't matter how many bits of legislation say we have to have one I still can't see the point... just me expressing an opinion, if you want one fair enough....

As for it being a secondary breaking system, well.... try pulling yours on fully at 70mph and see if it is a worthwhile system...

The legislation to have them is ancient... decades before split braking systems, it is virtually impossible to be left with no brakes unless you ignore the onslaught of warnings and carry on driving.....

That's why I can't see the point.... Bit like the guy with the red flag.... technology moves on.... legislation lags behind... Pete
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I said "what's the point" not "why do we have to have one"

Doesn't matter how many bits of legislation say we have to have one I still can't see the point... just me expressing an opinion, if you want one fair enough....

As for it being a secondary breaking system, well.... try pulling yours on fully at 70mph and see if it is a worthwhile system...

The legislation to have them is ancient... decades before split braking systems, it is virtually impossible to be left with no brakes unless you ignore the onslaught of warnings and carry on driving.....

That's why I can't see the point.... Bit like the guy with the red flag.... technology moves on.... legislation lags behind...

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but you don't necessarily need a hand brake but rather two methods of braking, I think. Basically if one system fails there's a back up.

Opppps Sorry Stan

Regarding the handbrake debate, who gives a S****, lifes too short .
Cars have to have them, end of argument.

Also, speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE , my transmission brake saved my life and enabled me to drive home safely and stop after a fashion at roundabouts and junctions.
One thing it taught me the unexpected can happen and im glad i had a handbrake that day.
NB: The mechanic i spoke to thought that as it was an original m/cylinder on the car, and in those days I used to bleed the brakes using the brake pedal, he thought the piston seals were damaged when overtravel occured by the seals passing over a wear ridge in the cylinder bore and all failed at the same time.

Peter