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Captain Slog



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Auto gearbox oil flush

2005 TD6 diesel 80,000 miles

I would like to change the auto box oil and cannot find anyone who can do an on-site flush for the FFRR. Does anyone know anyone that can perform this on-site or tell me where I and take my car for this service in the East Midlands? 

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Post #36077 14th Nov 2010 6:29pm
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dan_uk_1984



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I believe a flush on these is done by disconnecting the hoses from the cooler and sticking one end in a 25l drum and running the engine/gearbox oil pump till it is nearly empty.

In all honesty though unless your fluid is contaminated a regular change should be fine, if it's suspect then change it again in another few months and you will have got 95% of it.

Have you tried to search Yell.com for "gearbox specialists" 

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Call Gordon form 4-Tech. Sponsor over on Disco3.co.uk. Also does a mobile service if you prefer - he did mine on my drive. But based in Cambridge if you prefer to go there.
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I'm going to change mine next week, but only what is in the sump

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mzplcg wrote:
Call Gordon form 4-Tech. Sponsor over on Disco3.co.uk. Also does a mobile service if you prefer - he did mine on my drive. But based in Cambridge if you prefer to go there.
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/member8081.html


I enquired & they said a Td6 could only be done at their premises. So it's a trek to Wisbech for me then... Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Captain Slog



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piecost76 wrote:
mzplcg wrote:
Call Gordon form 4-Tech. Sponsor over on Disco3.co.uk. Also does a mobile service if you prefer - he did mine on my drive. But based in Cambridge if you prefer to go there.
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/member8081.html


I enquired & they said a Td6 could only be done at their premises. So it's a trek to Wisbech for me then...


This is why I enquired if anyone knew of anywhere in the East Midlands who could do the full flush. I have no interest in doing the job myself especially the 'do it twice method' considering the cost of the fluid, anyway I don't have the tools or facilities at my home to do it myself. 

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Try your local Land Rover main dealer mine quoted me £150 for single flush and £250 for double flush. Ended up taking mine to a local LR specialist like who's charging £100 today whilst sorting a few other little problems.

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M44K TS



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47p2 wrote:
I'm going to change mine next week, but only what is in the sump


You sure that's wise? Will the new stuff not get pumped round the system and mix with the old straight away?

I'm only asking because I used to own a Volvo 850 T5 Auto, the transmission fluid was Censored and I lost drive one night, fearing the worst took it to a supposed specialist who confirmed the ATF had had it, I asked them about flussing it out, but all they did was just drain it from the sump then topped it up, 25 miles later, no drive again, I ended up taking the top hose off that goes into the ATF cooler off and running the engine for a few seconds until 5l had emptied, topped it up, the repeated until the old ATF had been flushed through. 2006 Mercedes CLS
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47p2



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That's the way the dealership go about it. The best thing to do is drain and refill, drive for a few miles and repeat.

The point in doing it this way is to minimise the risk of contaminated ATF by diluting it, the more you change it the more you dilute it. LR, MB, BMW Audi all use this procedure. It is not recommended to start the engine when the gearbox sump is empty.

The other thing is that there is no point changing the ATF once the box is already damaged

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elpeede



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47p2 wrote:
The other thing is that there is no point changing the ATF once the box is already damaged


This is true.. but the thing is how do you know if its box damage or fluid past it's best?

Here its Day 2 without the FFRR having its box rebuilt. I spoke with the chap at length about the box (GM) and also about the ZF boxes in the petrol FFRR. He said the ZF's also find there way in to him so aren't as bomb proof as we may be lead to believe.

He has one FFRR on the ramps when I went in which had stripped the splines on a shaft that mates to the transferbox. That FFRR had to be dragged in due to the transfer box having blown somewhat dramatically.. more likely the cause of the auto stripping its splines.

Which raises the next question.. is the Transfer box sharing ATF with the auto box.. or is it isolated and how often and what with should we be doing the swap.. doesn't seem to get much of a mention on forums. Anyone know this before I resort to trawling? 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

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I would hope the transfer box is running EP90 or some other lubricant. The systems are separate, unlike the LT95.....

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Post #36379 16th Nov 2010 7:34pm
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47p2



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The transfer box uses Castrol BOT 26 FMB1 not EP90

Changing the ATF is a bit like changing the engine oil....preventative maintenance

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47p2



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Just finished changing the ATF and filter along with the front and rear diff oil aand transfer box oil.

I managed to remove 7 litres of ATF so more than 50% and will do a quick flush again in a week or two once I buy more ATF. It was an easy enough job and gives piece of mind to know that at least it has been done.

The odd thing is I now don't know whether this vehicle has had a gearbox change as the filter was dated 2004 and the vehicle is a 2002, yes it could be just a new filter but why would LR change the filter at 2 years old on a sealed for life box.

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47p2 do you use a pump or just those small bottles? I keep meaning to get a pump for this sort of job. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

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You need a pump for refilling the box, the fill plug is behind the prop-shaft and the ATF has a flat lid, not the tube type. To drain simply remove the sump plug, then 19 of the 20 bolts leaving one at the back loosened but still in place, this will allow you to tip the sump and drain most of what is left out rather than spilling it over the floor.


This is similar to what I use for refilling the gearbox



A suction pump would not be of much use for draining this gearbox due to the fact that there is a casting behind the filler plug and it would be almost impossible to get past it

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