Alistair wrote:

I'm fascinated to see what Boris does next - I think this article sums up the position quite nicely.

Basilfawlty wrote:

But just to be clear Angel, 18-24's only 30 odd percent of this group voted so 70% ish couldn't be arsed.

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Alistair wrote:

I'm fascinated to see what Boris does next - I think this article sums up the position quite nicely.

northernmonkeyjones wrote:

......downside is that as the pound is on a nosedive, imports Will get more expensive.

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Giantlandyman wrote:

NONE of those things are a certainty.

^ Just to be clear, my post was a general observation and not aimed at you personally, chap.

You're not the only one curious about what happens next. I have the feeling that there are lots of behind-the-scene machinations and plots aimed at finding a way not to honour the result....

Having kept a close eye on many different news outlets over the last few days I have to say I'm with the EU heads on this. If we are going to do it then let's do it now.

It's like a plaster. Pull it off slowly and it will be all the more painful.

However the Leave camp is floundering around with no real direction at the moment, more concerned with the election of the new leader on the conservative side and how to stop their party imploding on the Labour side.

If as is being said quite forcefully by the EU commission, Mrs Merkel and Mr Hollande, there is to be no cosy debate first then why wait. What is the point.......unless you are stalling for time. Time to do what though. If we serve the notice we will have 2 years which is extendible indefinitely by the EU which should be plenty of time to sort things out.

Why Wait..... Unless you aren't going to serve the notice at all. Which would annoy 50% of the population......Jeremy Hunt is now saying that it could form part of a second referendum or part of a general election Manifesto, and he was on the leave side.....

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Alistair wrote:

I'm genuinely fascinated to see what happens next as none of the Leave leadership seem to quite know what to do, but they rhetoric is in fast reverse and none of them seem overly keen to pull the trigger and actually leave.

The current government decided to ask us what we wanted to do, surely it is up to them to "know what to do" now they have our answer. I didn't vote for Boris or Farage or any "leave camp" I was asked my opinion and I voted for democracy, I expected the government to follow the path the people voted for in the best way possible, not cop out and resign....

northernmonkeyjones wrote:

Having kept a close eye on many different news outlets over the last few days I have to say I'm with the EU heads on this. If we are going to do it then let's do it now.

It's like a plaster. Pull it off slowly and it will be all the more painful.

However the Leave camp is floundering around with no real direction at the moment, more concerned with the election of the new leader on the conservative side and how to stop their party imploding on the Labour side.

If as is being said quite forcefully by the EU commission, Mrs Merkel and Mr Hollande, there is to be no cosy debate first then why wait. What is the point.......unless you are stalling for time. Time to do what though. If we serve the notice we will have 2 years which is extendible indefinitely by the EU which should be plenty of time to sort things out.

Why Wait..... Unless you aren't going to serve the notice at all. Which would annoy 50% of the population......

I'm not a sore loser and I'm a very pragmatic person, we will as a nation just get on with it, however until we know what IT is then we are all up Censored creek without a paddle.

Im thinking the latter Pete.

I honestly don't see the merit in holding off on article 50 if we are going to serve it. Im sure that there will have been a contingency plan should the public vote out, but i also think that it took the government completely by surprise, and that the plan was probably not completely thought out, as indicated by the demands from the UK for a cosy chat, and the EU saying erm.......no......get on with it.

Personally I welcome the delay if its means we are more likely to remain, i just don't see the point in it. We can't enter into discussions as Mr Juncker has banned commission members from talking to UK representatives until we serve article 50, which means that whenever we serve it we will be pretty much flying blind when we serve them with it.

We will have some idea of what we want out of it and I'm sure it will revolve around a Norwegian membership where we get some control over immigration and access to the common market, but and here is the big but, will they give it to us. It would be an ideal situation for us as it would effectively keep us in the EEA and would remove most of the EU rules and regulations from our backs, yet it would set a precedent for all future countries who want to leave the EU, and would be seen as an easy exit. This would give the right wing parties in the mainland european countries more leverage to get into power and this could start the disintegration of the union, so i think that this would meet quite firm resistance from France, Germany and the Netherlands.

It has already been mooted today that the german car manufacturers are indicating that they wouldn't support free trade without free movement, and this strengthens Merkel's bargaining position.

Who knows, it is all a massive imponderable problem which needs unravelling. All of which will take time and effort from everyone, but at the moment everyone is busy playing politics and musical chairs, so serious thinking will have to wait until the music has stopped. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Yes, I think they were that arrogant Cameron couldn't deal with the division in his party on the run up to the election, thought he was calling their bluff and miscalculated. However, I think he's done exactly the right thing - resigned & left enough breathing space for further reflection and planning before his successor decides whether ti involve Article 50.

BTW - It's unelected foreign bureaucrats that we don't seem to like - along with unelected foreign judges etc. There's plenty of unelected in and around Westminster, or any number of local councils that are effectively telling us what we can and can't do

Cameron, has repeatedly dodged major issues, that will see his name on the dotted line.
Remember, we are still waiting,
1. for a public enquiry report, (Chilcott report) how many years/millions, and it's ready to be published, but not yet printed?
2. The 3rd London runway, for Gods sake, just say it!
3. HS and HS2,
And, 4. cross rail 2

No-one wants to be remembered for the decisions, that affect the public outcry, on these massive decisions. How convenient, he has now dodged the brexit article 50.
The incoming premier, has many things to do, and no-one likes an unelected premier, so, it's the job, that no-one wants to do...yet. Come 2020, and the big guns will be crawling over each other.

Jeremy Hunt.

Although I'd rather we stayed in, it was a democratic vote by the majority to leave.
It would be unfair to the majority to try and overturn the result by any means. We are after all a first world democracy not a third world dictatorship.

We now have to get on with it as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland who ever you are and wherever in the union we live.

Now that we are on our way out of the EU I really don't believe that the EU as a whole will impose swingeing tarrifs upon our goods and services because we could do exactly the same to them and no one wins.
However I am selfishly concerned about the falling pound and I am concerned about any possible future curtailment in the freedom of movement and residency in Europe.

I'm anticipating having to do a lot of explaining to our European cousins when I cross the channel in a couple of weeks.

Maybe the UK could be the founding member of a loose coalition of other European countries who are not currently members of the EU. A non aligned European economic community so to speak.  Travelling around in circles again.

Maybe we could just try a battery disconnection, seems to sort out most problems....  Pete
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Aparently the 3rd runway is off....

hS2 is now being pushed back a year or 2 to cut costs.

If only we could just unplug them all. Last person to try that gets an effigy of him burned every 5th Nov..... There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Haylands wrote:

Maybe we could just try a battery disconnection, seems to sort out most problems....

I've heard worse suggestions!