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DarrenJH



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Front Brake pads & Dynamic Bushes

Just had my L405 in for service (its done 36,000 miles) and they have advised the front brake pads are 55% worn and should be replaced and there is slight movement in the dynamic bushes and they should be replaced. They have quoted £712 for the front pads and £500 for the bushes.
The car is a LWB SVautobiography, its had a very easy life from new and has been over serviced, all by main agent, they replaced the ARC bushes 2,000 miles ago under warranty as well as the steering rack, also under warranty. Can anyone tell me if the price is the going rate for pads and bushes and what the Dynamic bushes actually do?

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knwatkins



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United Kingdom 2014 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Corris Grey

Okay, so there are some very ambiguous terms being used by your dealer. There are no such things as 'Dynamic Bushes'. Likewise, there are no such things as 'ARC Bushes'.

However, your vehicle is equipped with a Dynamic Response system part of which takes the form of hydraulic pistons within both the front and rear stabiliser bars (aka active anti-roll bars). There are bushings associated with these bars, as depicted in the below image, in blue. When your dealer is referring to 'dynamic bushes' he may be referring to these.

ARC (Active Roll Control) is another term used to refer to the Dynamic Response system. 'ARC bushes' therefore is likely also referring to the bushings associated with the front and rear active anti-roll bars ie. the same parts.

If I were in your shoes, I would ask some questions to clarify what exactly was replaced 2000 miles ago and what they are proposing to replace now. If they are talking about replacing the same parts again, depending on the timeframe, you may have a valid warranty claim.

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Also, you might want to question why they are replacing pads that are only 55% worn Wink Kev

2014 L405 RR Vogue SE 4.4 SDV8 in Corris Grey
2010 L320 RRS HSE 3.0 TDV6 in Stornoway Grey

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northernmonkeyjones



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1/2 worn pads need replacing? For £700?? Tell them to Censored off.... yes the genuine pads are expensive, but not £700 expensive and even allowing for 2 hours of labour, and on a ramp they only take 1/2 hour to do, that’s ridiculous. Absolutely no need at 45% remaining, however having covered 36k if you haven’t had them changed it may be that the actual wear is higher. 36k is a good run for a set of pads..

Dynamic bushes? They cold be referring to the inner bush on the bottom control arm. This is a big bush and has been referred to the hydrobush to me before.

If as above they are referring to the ARB bushes then these are £15 each, and just rubber. I did mine on the drive in a couple of hours with a big bar and some swear words. Not a long or difficult job. 1 hour on a ramp tops. So total cost £150 worst case from dealer.

Clarify what was done on the warranty claim, and clarify what they are proposing to change. Most dealers do a little video to show you.

Get a parts price for genuine pads from robin at duckworth parts, or just ring your dealers parts department and ask for a price.... then take that to the service desk and ask how they are proposing to spend the other 2 hours they are billing you for. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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knwatkins



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Completely agree with you NMJ, I too would be telling them to Censored off! Laughing

Those bottom arm bushes are referred to hydro or hydra bushes because they are oil filled, to give a more progressive response. I'm not sure if they wear prematurely on the FFRR, but I know on the Sports, they chew through them. Kev

2014 L405 RR Vogue SE 4.4 SDV8 in Corris Grey
2010 L320 RRS HSE 3.0 TDV6 in Stornoway Grey

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northernmonkeyjones



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Yes, that’s sounds about right, aparently the ones on mine were done by the supplying dealer prior to me getting it at 37k. Was pointed out to me in the little condition video that my local stealer did for me while it was in to have the updated oil sensor wiring. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
FFRR 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography Santorini Black.
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Cam-Tech-Craig



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Sounds like you need a decent indy to me sir Whistle Thumbs Up Very Happy

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Jayk69



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I am sorry i would never go back to a place that

A) says you should replace pads at 55% wear
B) want to charge you £700 to change said pads

i do mine on the drive at home takes me about 30mins per wheel this includes having a little clean up of each caliper!!

I am no mechanic either i just like tinkering on the tools on jobs i think i can do myself. 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

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Zebedee



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Vogue SDV8 Santorini Black

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
Sounds like you need a decent indy to me sir Whistle Thumbs Up Very Happy


I was just thinking the same thing, Craig. I'd guess you could save a good part of £500 by finding a good indie... Current:
- 2013 L405 4.4 TDV8 Vogue
Sold:
- 2004 L322 4.4 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 2002 L322 4.4 HSE (having fixed timing chain guides)
- 2000 P38 4.6 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 1981 2-door In-Vogue
- 1980 Ex-Army SIII LWB
- 1976 SIII LWB
- 1968 SIIA
Stripped for parts:
- 2003 L322 4.4 Vogue

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Haylands



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Take it to https://www.cam-tech-landrover.co.uk/ You can't be too far from him.

Craig will do what needs doing, with genuine parts, without ripping you off... Thumbs Up Pete

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2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
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DarrenJH



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Thanks for all your replies, I have spoken with them this morning and they have confirmed the bushes that they replaced 2000 miles ago are the same item that now have play in them, not covered under warranty as more then 12 months ago and its just out of manufactures warranty, and the extended warranty doesn't cover these. They also said they have made a mistake with the price of the brake pads, they should be £750!!
Don't think we'll be returning!

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IGP



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The bushes fitted and supplied 2000 miles ago should have a reasonable life expectancy regardless of the manufacturers warranty period. 2000 miles is not a reasonable life expectancy and I would be arguing the point with the dealer. As for the brakes, as said by others, find a decent indie. The price quoted is an absolute rip off.

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2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Luxury

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Jase71



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Funny thing is that I've had my car from new and after 72,000 miles I still have plenty of meat left on my front brake pads. Weirdly I had to have the rear changed at 60k + miles!

I guess it has been all the motorway driving for my car. 2017 Range Rover Vogue V6 Diesel
2006 Range Rover Vogue V8 Diesel - gone

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northernmonkeyjones



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I would steer well clear.

Sounds like they are fishing for work. Bushes which were fitted 2000 miles ago should not be duff.

Brakes aren’t that much.....unless they have some super extra stoppy pads on the SVA? Which I’m pretty sure they don’t, same pads and callipers as on the 4.4..... pads cost from £50, gen pads were £230 a set from Robin at duckworth parts last time I checked.

As said it’s about 1/2 hour a wheel on the drive and a lot less on the ramp, so that comes out at £520/he they want to charge. I know they have set prices for things, but that is frankly ludicrous. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
FFRR 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography Santorini Black.
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