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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black
Lean Bank 1 and PCV?

I've been battling a lean on bank 1 code for a little while now. So far I've (in no particular order):

Had the inlet in pieces and rebuilt with new gaskets from the head up.
Smoke tested the inlet system - No Leaks
Replaced the PCV valve - twice
Sprayed around to check for vacuum leaks
Replaced the O2 sensor, pre-cat.

I have noticed that the PCV seems to flow a lot of air at idle, and the fuel trims seem to indicate that the fueling is out mainly at idle. If I stop the PCV flow at idle, the fuel trims head back towards zero.

Any thoughts? 05 L322 4.2SC
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Haylands



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As it's just one bank it could be injectors...??

Or possibly the other downstream lambda sensor...?

These are just some guesses Thumbs Up Pete

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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Thanks. Injectors is a possible I guess. However, the car also has LPG and the same issue happens on LPG. Hence I figured it must be air related. The PCV flowing at idle seems to be significant?

I discounted the downstream sensor (post Cat), because I figure that just checks the Cat is operating and has no input to fuel control. 05 L322 4.2SC
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England 2014 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Ah, you didn't mention LPG, if it hasn't had a valve saver fitted, and more importantly, topped up and used, then you maybe suffering from valve seat recession...!

Do a compression test.... Thumbs Up Pete

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2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Valve saver by the gallon. Its only done about 15k miles on LPG. Compression test done and no issues. 05 L322 4.2SC
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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

Remove your MAF, give it a good soaking with electrical contact cleaner, let it dry and then refit it.

Mine started to occasionally throw a fault and ran a bit lumpy, cleaning the MAF feels like it made a big difference.

For the sake of a £4 tin of contact cleaner it's worth a try Smile

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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Apologies, should have said, I've cleaned the MAF, twice Embarassed I also assumed it would impact both banks equally, but bank 2 is quite stable on fuel trims. 05 L322 4.2SC
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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

I'm reaching the bottom of the barrel now Confused

I'm also selling the Disco 4 this weekend as its currently worth £2000 more than I paid for it 2.5 years ago, so I need the RR sorted so I can tow the caravan. Nothing like a deadline to focus the mind Wink 05 L322 4.2SC
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My money would be on pulling in air on bank 1 somewhere.

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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

I agree. I cant find anything other than high flow through the PCV valve back into the throttle body. If I block that flow, the fuel trims settle back to around zero.

Should the PCV flow at idle? I'm unsure how it is supposed to work. 05 L322 4.2SC
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If its a 4.2 sc, thats where I had major issues getting the hoses that plug into the pcv to seat, its a poor design imo, I ended up removing the pcv and taping up the connectors with self amalgamating tape, it stopped a constant problem I had with vacuum leaks on the system.

Eta it sucks like a crack whore looking for her next fix

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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Thanks. I had the same problem with the hose. Bought a new one (£120+ !!!!) and that was poor too. Ended up with a "temporary" piece of 22m id hose and a couple of jubilee clips. Not pretty, but sealed!

Fitted second new PCV Monday night. Now just awaiting the light to come back on .......... Whistle

And useful to know it breathes heavy anyway! 05 L322 4.2SC
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So...... a whole week with no EML, and then Sunday morning, on it comes.

The above is the long term fuel trims and the peak on Bank 1 is when I pick the revs up.

Any more suggestions? 05 L322 4.2SC
2016 Discovery 4 Graphite
Lotus Carlton
Ascona 400
Volvo V70R AWD manual
Suzuki 1200 Bandit
Velocette Venom
BMW R80/7
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Do you sometimes have the viscous fan running for what appears to be no reason? Usually just a few minutes after you have just started up?
Or a pending p0116 code?

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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Not at a time which I would say isn't appropriate and the only fault code is the lean on bank1 code (P0171?). In actual fact it is running really well with no issues noticeable. What are you thinking? 05 L322 4.2SC
2016 Discovery 4 Graphite
Lotus Carlton
Ascona 400
Volvo V70R AWD manual
Suzuki 1200 Bandit
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