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TJH1985



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2023 ULEZ Expansion

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low...nsion-2023

This might cause a few car sales in London! Ironically my 4.4 SDV8 is free, yet my 2012 Skoda Octavia work bus that does 55+mpg is £12.50 a day!

Our work offices are inside the expanding zone, so essentially the government are forcing me into a new car Crying or Very sad Sold - Bell a 2015 MY16 Loire Blue Autobiography 4.4 SDV8
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SS.Lyria



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What’s next after he’s spent this windfall? My go to vehicle for London use is Euro 6 compliant, how long before that’s dragged into this sorry mess.

Let’s hope he’s kicked out before he wrecks London completely. What new incumbent has ever reduced taxes!!

Like so many ‘Socialists’ before, his incompetence to balance the books results in the least well off being the hardest hit Thud

The guy’s useless and the sooner Londoners vote him out the better. If nothing else it might save the rest of the countries big cities from such farcical behaviour.

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As a Londoner living in central london I think the ULEZ is a good idea as the air quality is a major health issue. I have concerns over how it’s implemented as it’s a bit crude but no doubt this will improve and get more sophisticated in time but it badly needed doing. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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If it was to be truly fair and targeting emissions, then it should be based on distance driven in the zone and graded by the vehicle level of polution rather than a daily charge.

This would also be the most logical solution nationwide with a plug in OBD2 monitor or just tax the fuel to cover it which would be even more straight forward with no admin etc. Tom

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@Flashman. A distance based system would be a lot fairer but a lot more complex and expensive to implement i.e tracking devices in every car in the UK. How would an OBD2 monitor work? If you just raised the tax on fuel how would thus work? Everyone including Euro 6 vehicle owners would be paying and how does that help air quality? 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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London is somewhere we avoid like the plague now.... Pete

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JayGee wrote:
As a Londoner living in central london I think the ULEZ is a good idea as the air quality is a major health issue. I have concerns over how it’s implemented as it’s a bit crude but no doubt this will improve and get more sophisticated in time but it badly needed doing.



I’m not sure the air quality in london is as bad as some would have us believe.

The pollution has been falling significantly; even if you ignore the covid periods. I’m a bit short of time but page 27 of this report gives some insight.

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/assets/Ser...n-2021.pdf

I seem to recall from another study that the air only hits red on the scale a couple of times a year and that’s during rush hour
presumably when there has been a traffic incident. Usual culprits, road past euston and other main arteries.

I’m an avid believer in the particles issue has been resolved on euro 6 cars. Co2 is a different issue.

Those that wish to disprove life is getting better often quote the figures during rush hour from a tunnel by the Barbican which has a set of traffic lights, thus a long line of cars , with no ventilation ,

The buses are going electric as are the taxis, that all helps.

Bill Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

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I’m all for cleaner air but sledgehammer and nut come to mind in this case.

Who’s greener, someone that has owned a small city car for 25 years or someone who changes their Range Rover every 2 or 3 years? And your reward for being frugal is a £4.5k per annum bill Rolling Eyes

Kahn would have done his sums and he knows over 50% of Londoners either own a Tesla or don’t own a car. Politics at its cynical best.

As central government has proved in recent years, just because you hold the highest office doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be any good at your job.

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It's been going down because more people are driving cleaner cars - Euro 5 and 6 mainly. The problem is that the volume of cars is now going up again so remaining steps to limit total pollution increases are needed. In a few years the % of <Euro 6 cars will be very small so it's not going to be an issue for most people. Beyond Euro 6 I'm not sure what significant reductions in air pollution can be gained from cars as you are at a level where particulate pollution from brakes and tyres are just as significant. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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SS.Lyria wrote:
I’m all for cleaner air but sledgehammer and nut come to mind in this case.

I agree ( somewhat) but an effective solution was needed and it couldn't wait for the perfect solution. I believe whoever was in charge of London would have acted the same way. If the mayor wanted to target motorists for purely political reasons there are much easier and cheaper ways of doing it s but that wouldn't do anything for air quality 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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i cant believe that london [west] hasnt a park and ride ..that would produce income from parking fees and reduce traffic.. ... - .- -.




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JayGee wrote:
In a few years the % of <Euro 6 cars will be very small so it's not going to be an issue for most people.


I wouldn’t be so sure about this, around here there are plenty of VAG diesels on the road that are not Euro 6 (mine included) that are absolutely fine in every way, passes it’s MOT every year without issue wants for very little work and returns a average of 45mpg.. it’s on a 2012 plate I can’t see why I’d be in a rush to replace it.

That’s before you consider the costs of a Euro 6 motor of a similar spec when the cost of living is climbing, I think allot more people will be inclined to hold onto what they have for longer. Sold - Bell a 2015 MY16 Loire Blue Autobiography 4.4 SDV8
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Take a look at this ;

https://media.rac.co.uk/pressreleases/expa...0m-3212421

That suggests to me that the ULEZ has more to do with revenue generation (to fill the hole in TfL's accounts ?) than environmental. Government departments have latched on to the fact that they can get away with revenue generation far easier by "selling" it under the environmental umbrella.

Kahn would have been more use to Londonstan if he had followed his fathers career path.

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This pretty much explains it

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