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Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

2014 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Not quite the Amoco Cadiz UPDATE....

Went out for a walk an hour ago to find this in front of fatty....

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Nice walk around the village, the ducks are back on the pond... I digress... got back and dived underneath...

Looks like the rack to me....

Nearside looks very suspicious...

Off side not so much...

The oil in the reservoir is much cleaner than the slick and it's only dropped to min... doesn't look like enough oil has come out of the reservoir to make a slick that size...

I started it and the steering works fine lock to lock but then did start making a knocking noise on nearly full left lock...

Anyone else had similar, can't see it being anything else around there, the transmission cooler is bone dry all round and absolutly no evidence of any leaks looking down from under the bonnet...!!

Guess it's garage time... Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

Last edited by Haylands on 3rd Aug 2021 7:02pm. Edited 1 time in total

1st Aug 2021 7:34pm

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looks nasty Pete...i hope its not to much of a problem... ... - .- -.

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2nd Aug 2021 7:04am

Baltic Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2015
Location: North Wales
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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Baltic Blue

Best wishes Pete…. on the bright side, front subframe won’t go rusty.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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2nd Aug 2021 7:20am

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

It never ceases to amase me how wrong I can be sometimes....

It looked like the steering rack, the oil looked like dirty steering oil, it was in the right place....

Anyway I started the engine, and it didn't bong with low engine oil so that seemed promising, Into reverse and the box dropped in fine... reversed back a bit and no more oil was coming out so heck, I'll drive it to my mates and get it on a ramp....

Took off the front and middle underbody protector, got the inspection light out and

Holy cow Batman.... One of the new high pressure fuel pumps is hanging off the side of the engine, stuck in it's acoustic cover was this... That dirt on it is from the cover...

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A snapped bolt... the pump is split or broken, it is difficult to say yet...

The oil was engine oil that comes out when you remove the pumps as they are running in oil...

I checked the oil level and it came up with this....

Rather weird it didn't bong to tell me it was low....!!

So, what has happened...??

The bolts are torx head 6mm, there was no thread lock on them, they aren't stretch bolts, no mention in the Workshop manual to replace them... they are tightened to 11nm, so not much....

Maybe the bolt came loose, snapped under the pressure of the pump moving, which damaged the pump as well...

Maybe the pump broke and took the bolt with it...

Not enough time today to strip it down so I will find out tomorrow....

Just hoping the remainder of the bolt comes out the block easily, it would be the hole that is directly behind the steering column...!!!

Time to make a big pile of bits on the floor....

New pump ordered, should be here tomorrow...

Wish me luck.... Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

3rd Aug 2021 7:01pm

bebechoon

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Good luck, Pete!

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3rd Aug 2021 7:24pm

DrRob

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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

I don't think they tell you oil is low. Relies on owner checking weekly... Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
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3rd Aug 2021 9:01pm

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

I thought they did, seems weird they tell you of low fluid in the coolant, washers & brake fluid, yet you have an electronic dip stick and they don't tell you of low engine oil... Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

3rd Aug 2021 10:12pm

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

Pumps removed...

One fitting spur snapped off and the pump piston rod snapped...

The remainder of the snapped bolt was at the bottom of the hole, the threads leading to it were fine so it looks like the bolt snapped somehow, can't think how though... The snapped bolt wound it's way out, the pump was then only supported one side so the pressure snapped the fitting spur which caused the piston rod to snap off, then the bolt backed out more letting the cam follower out of the hole and dumping all the oil... That is total speculation though...

Offending hole is just right of the blocked hole...

Luckily close inspection of the cam lobe, by turning the engine over by hand, the can follower and the hole itself are all pristine with no wear marks, they look identical to the other pump.

Tried an easy out on the stud, drilling a hole through it's centre wasn't too bad but I think they should rename "easy out", "no way out" as they never seem to work for me...

So, out with this set of Helicoils...

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I bought some new, high tensile bolts and thread locked them in and that's where I got to today as only had a few hours to play....

Old pump refitted on the left, new one on the right...

Put it all back together tomorrow and see what happens....

Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

4th Aug 2021 5:57pm

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

All back together, no leaks from anywhere and it runs 100% so looks like whatever caused it... faulty part, bolt or spanner work hasn't done any lasting damage...

£155 for the pump, £4 in bolts and some oil so not too sad... Pete

__________________________________________________
2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

5th Aug 2021 5:03pm

Baltic Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2015
Location: North Wales
Posts: 3679

Great. news Pete and hopefully the 24 hr weather forecast will at least help clean up your drive.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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5th Aug 2021 5:15pm

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

Cheers Mike, drive is going next year anyway, fatty is too fat for it and it's nearly like off roading driving on it...!! Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

5th Aug 2021 6:36pm

northernmonkeyjones

Member Since: 24 Mar 2012
Location: derby
Posts: 8479

2016 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Santorini Black

Not a horrendous outcome then. Much better than a rack! There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
FFRR 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography Santorini Black.
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5th Aug 2021 6:47pm

Haylands

Member Since: 04 Mar 2014
Location: East Yorkshire
Posts: 7911

Actually had to take the rack 99% of the way out anyway, both trackrods off, pipes off, column off and then unbolted it and laid it down, it's at the bottom of the last pic, it should be vertical in front of the front pump... could have pulled it out but there was then enough room to get the drill in to sort the broken bolt...

Took the driveshaft carrier to sump off as well this time, then there was plenty of room to get to all the pump fittings easily..

So much quicker and easier once you have done it the first time...

I'd found a place an hour away that would have rebuilt the rack with genuine parts for £225 so yeah, a bit cheaper... Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

5th Aug 2021 8:41pm

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