I wonder how many 5.0ltr and 4.4 diesel Full Fats have been serviced at a garage and they haven't bothered changing the oil because, apart from draining some out, there is no way to see if the oil is fresh with the demise of the dipstick from these models...

I wonder what bright spark came up with that idea...!!!

Mine was serviced only a thousand or so miles ago but I'll be changing the oil myself to make sure..!!

Anyone heard of a dip stick retrofit for either engine..? Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
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Chap on Disco forum has worked out how to use the drain suction tube as one 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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Which engine Rob ?
Pete,
The double click on the cruise control reset with the bonnet open is invaluable when doing oil changes, otherwise it takes 20 minutes to reset between readings.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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Markin, the problem is getting some oil out to either look at or send for analysis, they didn't put a dipstick in these engines, they are electronically monitored...!! Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

what if you were to drain the oil, into a clean tray, refit the plug, and take a sample of the oil etc. and refill the same oil back whilst you work out if its worth changing. i realise fumbling around trying to get sump plug back in to get a small sample is fruitless of course.

I just assume they haven't changed the oil, so one of the first things I do on any 'new' car is change the oil. At least I know it's been done and has the correct oil in it, plus if they did do it, it's now had a good flush through.

Couldn't you just suck up about half a litre or so through the suction drain tube? I use a Draper suction drain thingy (as many on here do) and I'm sure you could do that. Drives:
2010 FFRR TdV8 Vogue - Stornoway Grey
2010 FFRR TdV8 Vogue SE - Zermatt Silver
1998 BMW E36 M3 GTII

The Draper vacuum suction pump is the dogs danglies for oil changes!
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic41966.html 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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Which engine Rob ?

Pete,
this makes it easy to check oil color and clarity. when using it pull the piston up 1 to 1 1/2" and wait for the vacuum to bring the oil up.

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I know that Pete will say that B.B.is a dirty diesel and his is a petrol, but , the first time I changed my oil I accidentally put in 0.25 litre too much.
Nino told me to suck it out, so the very next day, with less than 10 miles done, I sucked out the extra and was gobsmacked to see how dirty black it was in such a short time.

If I had had the job done at a dealer I would have taken a lot of convincing that it had been changed.

In the end I ran it for 1,000 miles and changed it again to flush it out.

Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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Mike, you have kind of inadvertently hit the nail on the head sir... Dirty derv engined cars! The oil turns black almost immediately so, it would be very hard to check... I have a viscosity meter which works great for derv engines...

Of course a petrol engined car will keep its clean oil for months so is easier to check...

My 405 so say had a service 2 days prior to me collecting it from Stafford LR and when i got home i checked and it was old oil! The service manager argue'd with me! Believe it or not, whilst he had a job sheet in front of him that had the job either "checked" or "changed" then that was 100% proof it was carried out and wouldn't enter into any debate any further!!!

Which leads us back to Pete's original post... "You either take a sample and check it or, you change it yourself? Or you need to have faith in the garage you choose to use sir"

Craig

On the topic of clean oil in a diesel , my 3.6 used to have exceptionally clean oil after each change. I did change it every 5k kilometres but my indie always commented on how clean it was. My L322 4.4 and L405 4.4s oil have never looked anywhere as good despite the same oil change schedule. 2015 4.4 AB
GSXR 1000 K5
R1 1998

dolph34 wrote:

On the topic of clean oil in a diesel , my 3.6 used to have exceptionally clean oil after each change. I did change it every 5k kilometres but my indie always commented on how clean it was. My L322 4.4 and L405 4.4s oil have never looked anywhere as good despite the same oil change schedule.

As good as that may seam Dolph, my guess would be that something was wrong with your 3.6... Not that it matters to you anymore as she's gone...

Thats interesting Camtech, as I say it was almost like fresh oil , it's still going strong as of 2 months ago so hopefully whatever was wrong with it isn't too serious  2015 4.4 AB
GSXR 1000 K5
R1 1998