I watched Nicola Sturgeon on the TV last night in a debate with Danny Alexander., she could easily have been Alex Salmond in drag.
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Thankyou for that burst of negativity Trommel

I actually hope currency union does not go ahead, with Scotland economy and resources sterlingisation would be far better. It is not entirely in Scotland's interestest and the only reason Westminster are shouting no is to try hold the voters to random, but it appears not to be working (stick) so now they are offering great new deals (carrot) sadly for them they did it the wrong way round  09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

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I saw this in Campbelltown when I visited earlier this year. The memorial garden was built by her local friends in the area, not by her husband. Right behind is a tribute (no doubt deserved) to a local woman - 'a true Campbelltownian' - not some American with an English husband. It really seemed to be making a point, and not a very nice one

The sad truth is currency union is in the interest of the union not just Scotland, its posturing. like I said currency is based on percentage GDP, Scottish pound and sterlingisation would be better for Scotland based on Scotland's gdp alone but currency union would be better for all. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

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KurtVerbose wrote:

I saw this in Campbelltown when I visited earlier this year. The memorial garden was built by her local friends in the area, not by her husband. Right behind is a tribute (no doubt deserved) to a local woman - 'a true Campbelltownian' - not some American with an English husband. It really seemed to be making a point, and not a very nice one

I must be missing something here. Unless it's the perspective in the photograph it looks as if the statue and the bench are a unit.

I don't see any reference to "Americans" or "English"

Doesn't describing her as a "true Campbeltonian" not merely indicate that she was a fervent contributor to her local community.

Perhaps making a point about her life but, forgive me, what is not very nice about that?

PS. Her obituary in the Herald: http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/obit...n.17404186

I agree there seems to be a growing trend of looking for racial prejudice when it is not there.

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I must be missing something here.

I see. So you are drawing a straight line from that to the tribute to Nancie Smith as being anti- American/English?

I can only quote Thoreau, "It's not what you look at but what you see". John
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MachineHead wrote:

The sad truth is currency union is in the interest of the union not just Scotland, its posturing. like I said currency is based on percentage GDP, Scottish pound and sterlingisation would be better for Scotland based on Scotland's gdp alone but currency union would be better for all.

This of course is your take on it, I disagree completely, the rest of the UK gov't knows well that it is posturing, if Scotland is not a wealthy nation, is not hugely important to Westminster finances then why the desperation to keep it?

Why not say hey if you want it go for it? because it will leave a huge financial hole in rUKs budget.

To that end Toffman, Teaboy and the Millipede are all running up to Scotland at the last minute, having given their own parliament no notice, having realised the yes vote is gaining momentum, yet up to that point showed no interest in campaigning in Scotland. Then there as earlier mentioned is the super new powers, wow we are buyable now?

In the end of the day we shall see very soon and life will go on.

Edit - if anything was suicidal it was letting Scotland feel so marginalised by Westminster that it came to a referendum in the first place - something they are only just realising. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

What about the comment that North Sea oil is a bonus and not a fundamental part of the Scottish economy?
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With all respect, you must be insane to think it's about money. By the Scottish government's own figures, Scotland takes out more than it puts in.

It's shameful that such lies and disinformation are being put forward as fact by the flag-waving, face-painting idiots.

Scotland may well be able to exist independently (and the oil is little to do with that - even on a la-la-land geographic share), but it will be painful and hard. Salmond is a liar and a conman, nothing more.

It is not a never ending resource but Scotland gas a far greater economy than oil which seems to be unilaterally missed, on purpose.

Whisky and the other diverse range of products from the distillery industry is massive, we have a vast amount of business and innovation, tourism has always been strong (apart from a blip a few tears back), ship building - there are already plans to diversifyinto other huge areas of shipbuilding after the decommissioning of the £4bn waste that is trident. The argument of nuclear deterrent has declined year after year, Scotland needs a nuclear arsenal - ridiculous. That's like saying every house needs a gun in case someone with a gun attacks us, the only people likely to use nuclear devices would be the terror factions and there is no deterrent to such extremism and idiocy.

The current oil reserve (discovered) has a huge financial potential, this would create an economic fund as Norway have done. in fact Norway has a similar demographic and oil reserve, tell them they cannot compete in a modern world if you would care. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Trommel, I'm sorry but you argument increasing bases itself on calling people liars, idiots and lunatics / insane.

I disagree with you wholeheartedly and you are entitled to you opinion but none of it has been why Scotland would be better in a union, nor has it encompassed any vision for the potential future of Scotland in the UK.

This seems to be the popular no argument, you'd be skint, you'll fail, you need us, your lives will be crap independent, but you know what I don't agree and many very well accredited business leaders, financial analysts and even historians have said Scotland has the wealth, resources, determination, ability and means to be a strong independent country.

No wants to say we will all die in poverty because they recognise the loss to them will be large financially nothing to do with Scotland's wellbeing at all. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Shipbuilding - you will lose all Royal Navy and UK contracts. Gone. For good.

Trident - no nuclear weapons on Scottish soil, no NATO membership (actually no NATO membership anyway, because Scotland won't be spending 2% GDP on defence as required). Watching Russia now should tell you all you need to know about deterrents (ask how the Finns feel).

Oil reserves - output falling, that won't change long-term. It won't save an independent Scotland (hence why the SNP's figures are cherry-picked from 2008). The idea of a Norway-style money tree oil fund is preposterous - they bring in hugely more revenue from it, and it's been in place for decades. Also note that their oil fund is wiped out by their foreign debt - it's not some dreamland (and I'd love to see the Scottish reaction to Norway-style personal taxation).

Let's not consider the practical impossibility of the desperately wished for EU membership, no practicable national defence, no currency, no central bank, no public sector plans ...

You will also note that "independent experts" who don't think an independent Scotland would be utterly screwed are very, very thin on the ground. You'd think the Yes campaign would have them lined up, shouting from the rooftops but they just don't seem to exist.

The Yes campaign is divisive and destructive, thinly-veiled hatred for most part.

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Ah yes, the old Norway comparison.

I've worked in Norway and there is no comparison between there and Scotland.

here are a few facts :-

1. Norwegians get paid 3x that of their equivalent in Scotland. Where would this come from?
2. The tax regime in Norway is designed to pay for the older population, due to the huge cost of living there. Taxation on cars as an example is enormous.
3. Norway has had a 40 year head start on any north sea oil income and has invested it wisely.
4. The cost of living is HUGE and I mean HUGE!


So, let's look at ship building. How many shipyards exist on the Clyde that DON'T make warships? Maybe Fergusons, but, hey, they just went bust last week!
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