Trommel as a parting comment the UK - WESTMINSTER - want to take us OUT OF EUROPE - so even if you were right a point I contend - how is that any argument? you can't join the union that as part of the uk we want to drag you out of anyway - enough said 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

KurtVerbose wrote:

Guys, this isn't playing nicely, which is what fullfatrr.com is about.

Let's move on to who has the best God.

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alanm_3 wrote:

^^ I rather suspect one mans negative is another's reality.

Whatever the result, we'll all still have the same neighbours, drive on the same roads, drink in the same pubs, Scots are known for their stoicism, so we'll all deal with it together, for good or bad.

Let's see about that. A pint in Norway is around £9

Scotland already has tax-varying powers which it has never used (funnily, the Yes campaign don't mention that).

As for no increased tax - you have an annual £10bn+ funding deficit to fill (that's from the Scottish government's own numbers). Will Salmond's magic money tree be in fruit by then?

Edit - as for the Westminster thing - it isn't a "thing", it's just where democratically elected representatives (of whichever persuasion) sit. As for the "getting the government we vote for" nonsense, the SNP weren't voted in by a majority either so I'm not sure what the point actually is.

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MachineHead wrote:

alanm_3 wrote:

I think is represents the ridiculous notion that there's a potential ship building industry, just waiting to flourish post-independence.

I'm sorry the Fergusson situation is not referendum dependant it is happening and planned regardless

dear lord

Scotland has very limited tax powers that make no difference because if they propose something Westminster don't like Westminster threatens to reduce the Scots budget in certain areas. Kenny McCaskill said no to police cuts he saw as an affront to Scottish policing, Westminster said ok don't apply the cuts, we will cut your policing budget and you can keep policing as it is but with less money. its laughable.

Again with the you are broke argument, we are not, ask a better question - how big is the gap in Westminster budget when Scotland leaves the union? Then you will see why they are so desperate to paint the negative points they spoon feed their campaign

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MachineHead wrote:

Again with the you are broke argument, we are not, ask a better question - how big is the gap in Westminster budget when Scotland leaves the union? Then you will see why they are so desperate to paint the negative points they spoon feed their campaign

Better than a £110Bn hole to fund every year, hence the whole Yes argument of why Scotland will be better off...

sneaked back, she's in the kitchen.

The UK is already in debt, all parts of it, yes Scotland will have more to pay but our money will not be going to Westminster

You dodged the point, look at the funding gap for Westminster if Scotland leaves, that's what driving the current negative campaign.

Look at the UK deficit, minus Scotland's generous income.

We take our share of debt, pay nothing to Westminster and use our own economy to fund our own system

Westminster takes its share of the debt, has a hole where Scotland's income is no longer gained and will have to fund its own economy without Scotland.

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Better off?
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Mikey wrote:

Better than a £110Bn hole to fund every year, hence the whole Yes argument of why Scotland will be better off...

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MachineHead wrote:

The UK is already in debt, all parts of it, yes Scotland will have more to pay but our money will not be going to Westminster

You dodged the point, look at the funding gap for Westminster if Scotland leaves, that's what driving the current negative campaign.

Look at the UK deficit, minus Scotland's generous income.

alanm_3 wrote:

Better off?
With a debt we don't have any way of paying?

The uk can pay its debts WITH Scottish income included, once Scotland leaves with their proportion of debt the rest needs to be funded by Westminster ruk alone.

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/westm...ice-costs/

We are paying millions on Westminster debt interest.

edit correction - billions 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

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