Machinehead -you are probably right that Salmond will be gone at the next Scottish elections, but unfortunately he will be leading the negotiations if there is a Yes vote. Not sure I fancy the SNP idea of negotiated utopian Scotland 56 TDV8 Vogue SE
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alanm_3 wrote:

This may a gross generalisation but there are those who are voting that believe they actually ARE voting for Salmond and no amount of fiscal discussion, one way or the other, makes the blindest bit of difference.

Yes it is! I am sure there are probably many voting for many reasons - business, selfish, financial you name it who knows. So what Salmond has to do with it beguiles me 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Andy_J wrote:

Machinehead -you are probably right that Salmond will be gone at the next Scottish elections, but unfortunately he will be leading the negotiations if there is a Yes vote. Not sure I fancy the SNP idea of negotiated utopian Scotland

He will be part of along with a cross party group, he even invited darling to join it if they get yes - on TV  09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Right bottle of wine to open, fire to light and relaxing with swmbo to do, I'm out. enjoy  09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Well let's review that fact that he allowed 16 & 17 year olds to vote.

The yes campaign would say it was to give the young people, who's future will be more affected than our generation, a say in their future.

The no campaign would say it was a cynical ploy to gain votes from impressionable, idealistic teenagers who would most likely vote yes. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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Very fortunate it looks like the young voters don't remember the poll tax and there seems to be a strong NO vote within the 16 & 17 year old  56 TDV8 Vogue SE
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quick response - many teens are voting both ways thus proving they are not dumb ideological idiots that Cameron appears to have unfairly labelled them ... enough said night. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Well I for one would love to see that tactic royally backfire on him!

Anyhoo, I'm flying out to Dubai tomorrow, so to be continued from the sunshine................  Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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One thing the UK has is a fairly balanced political environment, an independant Scotland will however be destined for a long term future under Labour after the SNP fall by the wayside after their first term in power and there will be no co-ordinated and coherent opposition to them and their economy busting madness..

That thought is more than enough for me to say NO! '08 Audi S6 Avant 5.2 V10 with Milltek non-resonated. Vrrrrrrmmmmmph
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...oh dear, oh dear - from an ex-pat living in [i think] a tinder box country - all i can say is good luck either way it goes.
For sure not everyone will get the outcome they want/expect, but there will be an outcome, which you all will have to live with.
Good luck and one hopes the politicians have a forward plan..............

Completely OT here, but never realised there were this many Scottish people on the forum

Time to ditch the RRS forum, and move over here I think

Trommel wrote:

There is no benefit whatsoever to the UK agreeing to a currency union with a foreign country. None at all. Even if Scotland was to dollarise/poundise, they have no central bank - monetary policy would be imported wholesale from the UK, and there would be no allowances made. How is that independence? Madness.

Not having a background in economics and all that, I would say that the UK union and the European Union are better for the countries in them then trying to do it on your own, unless you are Norway and even they work together with other countries.

So bottomline, I think (as a "layman") that stepping out of the UK Union is not going to be good for either party, nor is stepping out of the EU. That doesn't mean that there is no room for improvement in both but that is what my gut feeling tells me. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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The EU was initially sold as a common market, then over gradual sneaked changes it's become a massive waddling bloated cash pit populated by a mix of elected and unelected 'officials' who seem to exist only to create needless bureaucracy, ridiculous rules/laws and prevent the third world from trading themselves out of poverty with restrictions, quotas and red tape.



Yes to a common market, emphatic no to the EU..

Buy your hair dryers and kettles while you can, the vacuum cleaners are already gone!

Tip of the fatburg:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6539184/EU...jects.html

EDIT: I love Scotland and would like them to stay with us, in fact the only good thing I can see about a 'Yes' is that labour will pretty much never get in again!

Standard Life (and my pension funds) are out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbys...dence.html

AND THEIR SHARES WENT UP

The statement is the biggest confirmation yet that major Scottish companies are preparing for a shift south if Scotland votes to secede. Standard Life was the first FTSE 100 company based north of the border to warn of the risks of independence back in February....

Financial Times Online:

Standard Life to move businesses south if Scots vote Yes
By Claer Barrett Author alerts

Standard Life, the Edinburgh-based financial services group, has attempted to reassure its 6m
customers by reiterating contingency plans to move its pensions, investments and other long-term
savings held by UK customers south of the border in the event of Scotland voting for independence
next week.

As opinion polls swing in the Yes camp’s favour, the company issued a statement on Wednesday
confirming it had established regulated companies in England “to which we could transfer parts of
our business if there was a need to do so”.

Stressing it would take “whatever action is required to protect our customers’ interests and maintain our competitiveness in the markets in which we operate”, the company said the move would ensure all transactions with customers outside Scotland continued to be in sterling, part of the UK tax regime and covered by UK regulators.

Asset managers, investors and pension savers are moving billions of pounds out of Scotland, according to industry executives, amid rising concerns about the financial consequences of a Yes vote in next week’s independence referendum.

David Nish, chief executive, said: “Standard Life has a long history in Scotland – a heritage of which we are very proud – and we hope this continues. But our responsibility is to protect the interests of our customers, our shareholders, our people and other stakeholders in our
business. The plans we have put in place will help to ensure continuity and peace of mind for all our stakeholder groups.”

Around one-tenth of the group’s 3.7m UK customers are based in Scotland. At its interim results in February, it said it was being contacted by worried policy holders in England seeking assurances that their pensions would be paid in the event of independence.

On Wednesday, a company spokesman said: “This has not been driven by an increase in customer concerns. This is a proactive statement intended on clarifying our position and providing peace of mind to our customers, advisers, shareholders and other stakeholders regarding the arrangements we have put in place ahead of the Scottish referendum.”

Standard Life was the first significant Scottish company to enter the debate on independence in February, when it warned it might move large parts of its operations south of the border in the event of a Yes victory.

Based in Scotland since 1825, about 5,000 of the Edinburgh-based company’s 9,000 staff are in Scotland. In August, Keith Skeoch, chief executive of Standard Life Investments, said: “We talk about [the referendum] all the time. Obviously, it is a big risk event. We are aiming to be politically neutral, as far as we can. I have people who work for me who are both Yes voters and No voters. “As you might expect, it is important we put appropriate contingency plans in place.”