if my history serves me correctly, Canada was populated by Scots looking for something better.. We have that now and somehow think we need more, its like having a beautiful wife but wanting the unattainable , just my view

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My worry is the needs of the country/countries vs the needs of the politicians.

Alex Salmon goes from being a local politician to prime minister/president/king or whatever an independent Scotland has.
Cameron knows his party isn't as popular north of the border as it is south of it. He'll have an easier time getting a majority without Scotland.

VERY true. The fact that this can be decided without bloodshed is a great example to the world.

We get exposed to a lot of American history here, and the contrast between Canada's and the USA's methods for achieving independence are rather different. Canada - less war and less tea ruined. (And I don't mean to denigrate the heroic personal achievements with that remark.)

Seems Deutsche Bank are not at all convinced by Mr Slamond's arguments and believe an independent Scotland will quickly enter an economic tailspin

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2...en-before/

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^ he's already preaching to the converted.

Was watching a program about independence here in Dubai and it was interesting that they showed a no voter with his placard, speaking eloquently about his hopes and fears, to a yes voter in a council house, in his vest, holding a yes flag upside down and the wrong way round who "wisnae really sure whit a'm votin' fur, but it's an aye frae me".

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The one thing that strikes me, is that Westminster seem very, very desperate to hold onto Scotland.

This was seen as soon as the polls shifted to "Yes" being ahead, by the 3 party leaders coming up to Scotland the very next day.

Makes you wonder why they are so keen to hold onto a country full of "subsidy junkies"
Surely if we had nothing to offer rUK, and were a huge drain on finances as portrayed in the media, they would be waving us off

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I was always an advocate for a third option in the vote - devo max, which is now what's being offered but this was deemed as "too complicated". Given that that's now what's on offer, perhaps in hindsight, it should have been an option in the actual vote. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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Again, Westminster wouldn't allow the Devo Max option. They wanted a clear cut Yes/No on the ballot.

I do wonder if this will come back to bite Westminster in the

There was an article in the Gulf News here. You'd be amazed how much coverage this is getting here, which said that it was David Cameron who wanted to humiliate Alex Salmond in a no vote. I suspect you could be right that not giving a devo max option could well end up with him having to resign and have to call a snap general election.

Clearly there's was/is arrogance on the Westminster side but this is balanced out by downright belligerence on the independence side, that continues to bad mouth any person or organisation that dares to question Scotland's ability to manage financially.

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Mikey wrote:

Again, Westminster wouldn't allow the Devo Max option. They wanted a clear cut Yes/No on the ballot.

I do wonder if this will come back to bite Westminster in the

They couldn't get Devo Max on the table because it required the backing of rUK public which they knew they wouldn't get. So it was binned.

Quite right too I would understand rUK being worried Scotland was getting a better deal, but the truth is they don't and haven't up till now. They pay more per head and generate a higher revenue than they receive despite certain Westminster ploys to the contrary.

Should Scotland get to vote on distinctly English matters? I'd say no.

The union does not work and while there are promises to fix it they won't. Westminster are saying more powers if No vote but cannot and will not say what powers. This is because they do not have the mandate of the rUK public to give these alleged powers nor the legal capacity to do so. The truth is there are none, its back to more of the same in the event of No vote.

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They pay more per head and generate a higher revenue than they receive despite certain Westminster ploys to the contrary

Oh and remember further back in this thread about ship building - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29202728 Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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The Barnett formula.

That thing that Scotland pays all it's collected revenue into, and then decides how much of its own money Scotland gets back?

Trommel, I was going to answer the Barnett formula question but a short and concise answer has already been put above. As for SNP lies, that's hilarious, what about Westminster lies?

Child sex scandals where they magically lose dossiers
Briefing banks before releases
Huge expenses bills that are now greater than before the scandal, yet a 9% pay rise to cover what they lost in expenses?

Westminster have lied and misled information throughout, ASDA are talking to their lawyers re the impact of better together misquoting them, Tesco said they suspect a lot of prices would go down, Morrisons say they could go down, up or stay the same, aldi and lidl operate in international markets with no issues, a major wholesaler has said its utter nonsense but Westminster said - the price of your groceries and shopping WILL go up.

Trident is good for Scotland but apparently not good for south of England as bosses say an accident could kill a lot of people, it ok next to Glasgow then?

There are huge oil reserves just off the west coast which were agreed not to be drilled because of trident, the Shetland oil field is believed to have more oil in it than has been extracted from the north sea to date. Oil WILL run out but the reason Westminster is so desperate is that it wants the money until it does, much like in the middle east.

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Oh and remember further back in this thread about ship building - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29202728