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alanm_3



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Strange problem after swapping wheels

I decided to rotate my nearside wheels yesterday and all seemed fine, until I took the car out to the shops. Xmas tree full of lights, HDC inactive, transmission error, suspension error and a few more. After coming out of the shops, same issue on the way home. Reset all errors, all seemed well, ran ok for a few minutes then the same errors pop up. Plugged it into the C-Tek charger on and left it overnight. Took the car out today and it seemed ok, until it all went haywire again.
What’s strange is that the HDC error comes up as I turn on the ignition but don’t start the engine. I’m assuming it’s no coincidence that this has only happened since I rotated the wheels but I’m puzzled as to what I could have done that would have caused this?
Anyone got any thoughts? Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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GraemeS



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The error occurring without moving suggests open circuit on an ABS sensor. Maybe a connector was bumped or there's a break in a wire that was moved.

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I had this on ours. Completely unrelated to your wheel swap though...it was a split top intercooler hose...

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A split intercooler hose?

Giving HDC errors? 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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Have you read the fault codes? Only way to be sure what's going on. 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
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alanm_3



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Ok, here’s what I’ve found today.

Battery charged over night. Turn ignition on, not stared the engine, HDC fault immediately.

From the IIDTool, these are the relevant faults


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All the other errors are “U” type errors, indicating communication issues, which I reckon are associated with this error.

So far, so good. Looks like a speed sensor, but there are no more errors to indicate which one it is.

Next step, clear the errors, turn the car off and on and all seems well.

Looking at the sensor data, they look fine

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So, I took the car out for a quick spin, everything seems fine until I hit about 30mph and bongs all over the place as before.
The strange thing is, the speed sensors are still sending wheel speeds on all 4 wheels as far as I can see.

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This is most confusing.

One thing that has just sprung to mind looking at the speed differential between the front and rear wheels, is that I have different sized tyres on the front and back. The fronts are 255/55 20 and the rears are 255/50 20. I could see this maybe confusing the ECU but I can’t explain why the HDC inactive message would pop up even before the car is started. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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Did you lift the car off all 4 wheels at the same time. I had similar issues after a 4 wheel alignment apparently it can send the ride height sensors a bit off.

Just a thought also after that, probably unrelated but very soon after the steering angle sensor failed.

Many faults throw up the Christmas tree of lights

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No, I did the front n/s first, then put an axle stand under it and did the n/s rear, as I only have 1 jack.

I had already rotated the o/s wheels in a similar fashion and saw similar issues with HDC inactive messages but only once and having charged the battery, it never came back.

I’m just wondering if the fact that there were different sizes of tyres on the same axle was ok but now I’ve put the same size on the front and a different size on the rear, the ECU is getting a bit confused. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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alanm_3 wrote:


One thing that has just sprung to mind looking at the speed differential between the front and rear wheels, is that I have different sized tyres on the front and back. The fronts are 255/55 20 and the rears are 255/50 20.


That is your issue Whistle All tyres should be the same all round. It can cause major transmission issues too. A big no-no Big Cry

Raid your piggy bank and treat it to 4 new tyres....55 all round will give it a comfier ride Thumbs Up
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I think you’re right, luckily I only need 2 new 255/55s as the ones I have are practically new. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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Report back and let us know how you get on Bow down 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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alanm_3



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Just 1 small flaw in all this excellent logic.

Why did I not get any errors at all when the 255/55s were both on the rear and the 255/50s were both on the front, as opposed to now, when they’re the other way around? Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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No idea but mismatched tyre sizes are definitely a bad thing to do. Transmission wind up etc 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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I'm almost tempted to swap them all back just to prove the theory and then get 2 new 255/55s Thumbs Up Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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