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mjdronfield

Member Since: 04 Nov 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 8002

2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Defender.... Adopted?

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2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

27th Jan 2021 6:19pm

SS.Lyria

Member Since: 01 Dec 2016
Location: London
Posts: 269

2014 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Loire Blue

I’ve seen a lot of negative feedback from old school Defender owners saying it’s lost it’s DNA.
Major gripe being when it breaks down in the bush how are you supposed to fix it

I think it looks quite cool and I wouldn’t mind having a drive to see how it shapes up.

27th Jan 2021 7:42pm

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16403

2015 Range Rover SVAutobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

They do drive lush...

And how do you fix a TDCi out in the field

28th Jan 2021 12:51am

TJRL

Member Since: 07 Sep 2019
Location: Reading
Posts: 198

2011 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

They do indeed drive well - very well off road.

They also look ok, other than the strap-on lunch box (oh-err )

But in no way should they use or be associated with the Defender branding. 2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - SOLD
1960 Land Rover SII SWB SW
2020 BMW R1250 RT LE
2021 Triton ST-125 (Monkey Bike)

28th Jan 2021 7:00am

KurtVerbose

Member Since: 08 Aug 2010
Location: Les Arses
Posts: 5848

2007 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
And how do you fix a TDCi out in the field

With a hammer.

If there had been a new defender every 8 years since the first came out we'd have pretty much the same car. Because there was a 70 year wait for a new one people say it's lost its DNA.

28th Jan 2021 7:12am

Hermes

Member Since: 06 Nov 2020
Location: Oop north
Posts: 108

2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Stornoway Grey

I quite like it...

That said, I just don’t see it as a Defender (or 90... or Series....etc.)
It has lost its modular-ness, which to me, was its identity

Still a great motor, but now much more like yet another Range Rover spin-off (no matter how many fake bolt trims they put inside )

28th Jan 2021 8:31am

Red Merle

Member Since: 19 Sep 2016
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2158

2017 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Aintree Green

SS.Lyria wrote:
I’ve seen a lot of negative feedback from old school Defender owners saying it’s lost it’s DNA.
Major gripe being when it breaks down in the bush how are you supposed to fix it

Firstly, no one will ever please them and secondly, it would be pretty much the same for anyone trying to fit the Transit engine in the Puma Defender 🙄

28th Jan 2021 9:04am

CongoBoy

Member Since: 11 Sep 2020
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 126

2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

TJRL wrote:
They do indeed drive well - very well off road.

They also look ok, other than the strap-on lunch box (oh-err )

But in no way should they use or be associated with the Defender branding.

I feel similarly.
To me, this should have been branded as the next Discovery, not as a Defender.

28th Jan 2021 9:12am

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16403

Completely agree, but I said that way before it was released for sale! 👍

However, using the Defender branding?!? How is that any different to the Ewok carrying the RR branding? And surely, that’s a bigger foo par? No

28th Jan 2021 9:22am

Red Merle

Member Since: 19 Sep 2016
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2158

CongoBoy wrote:
I feel similarly.
To me, this should have been branded as the next Discovery, not as a Defender.

Have you, firstly, owned a Discovery 3 or 4 and secondly, been in a new Defender?

28th Jan 2021 9:47am

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16403

I can answer that Red... Yes, Yes & Yes... And i completely agree it should have been branded the D5... As in real terms, its just like a D4 rework!

28th Jan 2021 10:23am

JCW

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Cotswolds
Posts: 965

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
Completely agree, but I said that way before it was released for sale! 👍

However, using the Defender branding?!? How is that any different to the Ewok carrying the RR branding? And surely, that’s a bigger foo par? No

Just symptomatic of the general homogenisation of LR model branding across its entire range, not unintentionally.

But what’s in a name, I just take each for what they are

28th Jan 2021 10:40am

Red Merle

Member Since: 19 Sep 2016
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2158

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
I can answer that Red... Yes, Yes & Yes... And i completely agree it should have been branded the D5... As in real terms, its just like a D4 rework!

I knew that you would have done 👍 which is why I was especially asking CB.

My very low opinion of the current D5 is pretty well known 🙄 and I would have loved this to be the real thing but, beyond the boxy shape and external dimensions, this is very different from the D4 inside, the D4 still being a luxury car, but more spacious and practical than the Fatty. As soon as I got inside, this screamed Defender at me; from the flat front floor to the two front seats being pushed to the edges to allow for a third front perch.

Give it a bigger boot and the option of a split tailgate (and even better, build it in Solihull) and I’d have one. But, to many who might have looked at a D4 in place of say, a Mercedes estate, the Defender is going to be too much of a step.

28th Jan 2021 10:55am

Philip

Member Since: 05 Jan 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 2628

2019 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Aintree Green

KurtVerbose wrote:

If there had been a new defender every 8 years since the first came out we'd have pretty much the same car. Because there was a 70 year wait for a new one people say it's lost its DNA.

Exactly that.

28th Jan 2021 2:40pm

TJRL

Member Since: 07 Sep 2019
Location: Reading
Posts: 198

KurtVerbose wrote:

If there had been a new defender every 8 years since the first came out we'd have pretty much the same car. Because there was a 70 year wait for a new one people say it's lost its DNA.

Really??

I seem to recall the that the original Land Rover (later renamed as "Series 1") has been updated many, many time over the years. As a rough guide (please don't flame me if a bit inaccurate!):-

1948 - Rover cars produced a new model of car - A Land Rover
1958 - Rover cars produced an updated version - The SII Land Rover
1961 - Rover cars produce an updated version - The SIIa Land Rover
1972 - British Leyland Cars produce an updated version - The SIII Land Rover
1984 - British Leyland Cars produce an updated version - The 90 and 110 Land Rovers
1990 - The Land Rover 90 and Land Rover 110 - Replaced by Defender 90 / 110 respectively
1996 - Land Rover produce an updated version - Wolf Defender

So very nearly "a new Defender every 8 years" or so. All with very similar "DNA" so much so that even JLR talk about a 1948 Land Rover as being a Defender when of course it was not.

It is easy to compare a 2016 Defender to a 1948 Series 1 Land Rover and see the common DNA.

But in no way shape or form can a 2020 "Defender" (of should that be Pretender?) be compared with a 2016 Defender. There just is not any common DNA at all.

2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - SOLD

1960 Land Rover SII SWB SW
2020 BMW R1250 RT LE
2021 Triton ST-125 (Monkey Bike)

28th Jan 2021 4:00pm

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