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j_rov



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Soft dash

Got my eye on a crusty soft dash 94. Am I insane? Are they worth the hundreds of hours of work to restore. It runs and drives but failed MOT on structural weaknesses due to corrosion __

2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

Post #583520 13th Feb 2021 9:32am
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DrRob



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Location: Hampshire
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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Learn to weld or it will cost you thousands.
Lots of places do replacement panels now
Best are YRM Metal Solutions or Easy On Panels (Froggatts)
Thumbs Up 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory interior and clear glass = "Rory"
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
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2012 SDV6 Range Rover Sport - gone
2012 Freelander - gone
1993 200 Tdi Range Rover Classic - gone after 14 years rolling restoration "Rangie"
Series 2A V8 Lightweight - gone
1952 80" - gone
1949 80" - still in family since 1975

Post #583525 13th Feb 2021 9:47am
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j_rov



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Deffo on the list is a welding course...

Thanks for heads up on panels.

Thinking of pulling the body off and tacking chassis completely exposed (I have a 2 poster)... __

2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

Post #583526 13th Feb 2021 9:51am
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V8_Disco



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What engine? Is it numbers matching - some nasty tdi retrofits out there

Nice cars, I had a 300tdi (factory fit) I thought it the wrong engine, bit gutless if I was going that way again I would look for a 3.9

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Haylands



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England 2012 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Ipanema Sand

Just make sure you strengthen the body (weld 1" tube to brace) before removing it or it will collapse at worst or distort at best... take lots of measurements before doing anything...

Remember, add up the price of all the new parts you need then double it and you will be close to the final figure...

Oh, and yes, I do think you are mad, join the club.... Thumbs Up Pete

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2002 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory Interior (Fatty Offroader) Now Gone
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Cam-Tech-Craig



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England 2015 Range Rover SVAutobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Why do you want a Softy? If its some romantic memory? Go and borrow/drive one, they are old and slow and and and and and... I own one and it hasn't been out of my garage since 2017 ish? Why? For all the reasons above! My 405 is sooooo much nicer to drive, sooooo much more comfortable and far safer in modern traffic!

If you must buy a classic, go and drive a softy with a 3.9, then drive a 1990-1992 3.9 without the emissions equipment strangling it! BIG difference!

Just my 2 pent worth Thumbs Up

Post #583564 13th Feb 2021 1:48pm
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j_rov



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V8_Disco wrote:
What engine? Is it numbers matching - some nasty tdi retrofits out there

Nice cars, I had a 300tdi (factory fit) I thought it the wrong engine, bit gutless if I was going that way again I would look for a 3.9


It’s a 3.9 numbers matching as far as I know. __

2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

Post #583574 13th Feb 2021 2:43pm
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j_rov



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Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
Why do you want a Softy? If its some romantic memory? Go and borrow/drive one, they are old and slow and and and and and... I own one and it hasn't been out of my garage since 2017 ish? Why? For all the reasons above! My 405 is sooooo much nicer to drive, sooooo much more comfortable and far safer in modern traffic!

If you must buy a classic, go and drive a softy with a 3.9, then drive a 1990-1992 3.9 without the emissions equipment strangling it! BIG difference!

Just my 2 pent worth Thumbs Up


Why? For a project. For a legacy. To restore a car I love. As an “investment” ??? __

2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

Post #583576 13th Feb 2021 2:45pm
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V8_Disco



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j_rov wrote:
V8_Disco wrote:
What engine? Is it numbers matching - some nasty tdi retrofits out there

Nice cars, I had a 300tdi (factory fit) I thought it the wrong engine, bit gutless if I was going that way again I would look for a 3.9


It’s a 3.9 numbers matching as far as I know.


The 3.9 will be worth more in time I think as well, if it’s the right money and not to far gone not a bad thing to restore and enjoy

Make sure the interior is sound, esp the dash while some parts are shared with a 300 tdi era disco not that much of the dash is really the same (mine was missing a cruse control button that was hard to replace) the Centre consul can be butchered to fit an aftermarket radio (it’s a shallow fitment) if that’s been done make sure it’s been done well and not cracked the plastic

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DavidL



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Softies rust badly, more so than the hard dash cars. Mine seemed ok but, it turned out, was missing most of the bulkhead.
Having said that I feel they look a bit more modern inside.
Quick they are not. Mine has a real steel cam and has been rebuilt but even so acceleration is glacial. Once going it cruises nicely at 70. Don't polybush it, I'm still taking mine out slowly. They are far too stiff.

I can say that a becker stereo from a freelander fits just fine.

With p38s and 322 so cheap now they would be a much better bet as an actual car but that rather depends on your needs.
I like mine but I don't think I would buy another especially at todays prices.

Post #583635 14th Feb 2021 12:12am
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j_rov



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So, i reckon I'm half way with this. As in its stripped down and being welded. Lots and lots of welding. Criminal amounts of corrosion.

Soon I will be at the fun stage of figuring out what goes back where!!!

One day it'll be drivable!


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2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

Post #609017 13th Oct 2021 11:51am
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lambo911



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I had a soft dash LSE which was great. It was 4 years old and I had it steam cleaned and wax oiled after I bought it. Water still got behind the seam seam and caused quite a bit of rust

Post #619891 13th Jan 2022 8:28pm
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Vogue



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United Kingdom 2017 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Carpathian Grey

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
Why do you want a Softy? If its some romantic memory? Go and borrow/drive one, they are old and slow and and and and and... I own one and it hasn't been out of my garage since 2017 ish? Why? For all the reasons above! My 405 is sooooo much nicer to drive, sooooo much more comfortable and far safer in modern traffic!

If you must buy a classic, go and drive a softy with a 3.9, then drive a 1990-1992 3.9 without the emissions equipment strangling it! BIG difference!

Just my 2 pent worth Thumbs Up


Plus one - the ultimate Classic RR is a hard dash 3.9. The soft dash is straight out of a discovery. You are better off with the later 3.9 engine, no air suspension, no air con, no sun roof, no air bags AND no emissions = a 91/92 hard dash vehicle. Seriously I have owned them all from new and now on my 16th - I speak from qualified experience - do not listen to those that say you want a soft dash, at that age it needs to be kept simple - soft dashes are complicated for their age, strangled by emissions and riddled with issues & only advocated as they are the run out model or people that own them and have an allegiance. L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #16

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ajac8



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Baltic Blue

+2. Soft dashes are soulless.

Mine is a 93 last of the hard dash with 70k on the clock and DVLA paperwork to prove (back when they issued such info). Its a 3.9 Vogue with no bells or whistles except a sunroof.

Once you sort the structural issues out the only other frustrating thing will be ignition. Throttle sensors go but replacements are available. If you are minded - spend good money on a decent dizzy and associated components.

Other than that, just the knowledge that you have one tucked in the garage watching its value increase is good enough for me. oh and the ability to carry 10 8'x4' steel mesh sheets on the roof and 70 engineering bricks plus cement in the boot (like she did today) is priceless. 405 AB exec seats Baltic and Cirrus
93 RR Classic efi

Remember it's easier to get forgiveness than permission!

Gone in order:
4.4 TDV8 SE - gone to a good home
93 Classic hard dash Plymouth Blue
03 L322 Oslo Blue
2000 Disco TD5 ES Epsom Green
98 P38 Rioja Red
89 Classic Cairngorm Brown

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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England 2015 Range Rover SVAutobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Might be worth building it on a galvanized chassis? Selling price would be much higher IMHO... Whistle Thumbs Up

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