If the weights of the vehicle are close to forecast in the Netherlands you’ll need a light commercial vehicle licence!!!  L322 TD6 2003
Epsom Green- the dogs car which has worked it’s way into being the family car 😮

more news re the new electric FF,

https://www.arenaev.com/48000_electric_ran...s-4093.php ... - .- -.




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48,000 orders - 40,000 of which will shortly find out they can’t insure it…

Yes, it's shocking!

Is it really 48,000 orders or 48,000 expressions of interest???

Old news chaps, Tesla are going hydrogen in 2 years, the writings on the wall, hate to say it.....

Hydrogen is a dead end.

Yes, Hydrogen isn't the answer. We've looked at it for HGVs and the energy loss in manufacturing it means it really isn't viable. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

It's a free country chaps, only time will tell. Just saying you will never get me in a milk float, and in my view Hydrogen will compliment BEVs and in time it may take over, who knows.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electr...wanes.html




Nothing like a spirited discussion.

39,999 interested.
Pass, too much money and poor range even for a flying brick. Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

Sign me up! No more oily stinky diesel, no more stupid EGR/DPF/SCR/Oil Cooler/leaks/smell/vibration issues, less moving parts, instant torque and likely way more power and ability to leave my house with a full tank of fuel every day. I do not see any draw back - well apart from I won't be stumping up for a brand new one because OUCH!

Glad they have not gone mad with blue or yellow accents, lets hope they depreciate like a stone so I can pick one up in a couple of years

DrF wrote:

It's a free country chaps, only time will tell. Just saying you will never get me in a milk float, and in my view Hydrogen will compliment BEVs and in time it may take over, who knows.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electr...wanes.html




Nothing like a spirited discussion.

From what I remember in the 60's & 70's milk floats were definitely Battery and from what i know there was no hydrogen milk floats, but happy to be corrected!!

Abridged and high level (read poor lol) explanation =

A hydrogen fuel cell car is a BEV, the difference is the hydrogen part catalyses and electricity is produced, to power the electric motor. Great system as by product is water but has a lot of downsides also, you need a hydrogen tank to start, which means less space for packaging meaning less space and you still need all the components from a regular BEV.

The simple explanation is this adds complexity and reduces space. The storage of hydrogen (currently at least) is extremely energy inefficient and thus the cost of getting it to your car is expensive.

Remove the expensive storage/delivery, remove the tank and complexity from the equation and what are you left with?

Electric vehicles, no energy storage middle man with far greater efficiency. This is why, outside of heavy trucks where packaging is less of a concern, without radical advancement in storage/delivery of hydrogen it is literally never going to happen as it makes absolutely no sense and articles pushing this as usually funded by a certain think tank with opaque funding from oil companies.

Could happen one day, but for now it is DOA.

DrF wrote:

From what I remember in the 60's & 70's milk floats were definitely Battery and from what i know there was no hydrogen milk floats, but happy to be corrected!!