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GGDR



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GraemeS wrote:
The internal bump-stop prevents most of the braking movement - its the wheels pulling forwards with drive that stresses the upper and lower attachment links. I suspect that non-smooth surfaces such as gravel roads is the cause of mine's short life.


Graeme, is the bump stop you mention the 'lump' at 3 o clock position in this photo?
Or 9 o clock?

Or something else?

I am getting a clunk if I jab the brakes....

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I was referring to the 9 o'clock solid block.
What brand bush is that one? The Lemforders that I fitted had the centre against the block and the pointy one on the other side just touching the centre.

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oh, it's from here: &t=7s
just grabbed it because it was a clear down the barrel shot.
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Well today old fatty drove me mad with it's knocking and banging. I couldn't stand it any more, I've ordered some new ARB links just in case but decided to have a look. I admired the shiny new arms, grabbed hold of the shiny new ARB link and the top joint was loose. The MOT garage had fitted the link and not tightened the top joint up fully. Much gnashing of teeth, got it tightened and went for a drive, pure silence, such a difference, all is well in the world now Very Happy

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Glad you sorted it John. Thumbs Up

Re the bush, I am very tempted to go for the solid one, I like things that make sense (which a solid bush does) vs the fruity spoke + bump stop OE bush

Anyone know why it's designed that way?

. Cheers, Greg
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The solid poly ones have the added advantage of rotating on the stainless sleeve, so you don't have to tighten them with the weight on the wheels.

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I wonder how much the action of the suspension moving up and down contributes to the demise of the rubber bushes, rather than my assumption that rough surfaces causes the wheels to move forwards and backwards compared with the chassis. Mine's suspension gets a good workout over humps and dips which could be the reason for mine's quick demise but should be less of a problem for the Power-flex bushes with their non-fixed centre.

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The new bushes, balljoints and link tightened have absolutely transformed this car, taken it to a whole new level, driving round with a big stupid grin on my face LOL. BMW i3 Electric Car
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Just a thought but would using the old worn out ones left in situ but fill the voids with some self mixed polyurethane achieve the same result of repairing the original ones and give the benefit of the polybush ones? Current 2007 TDV8 Vogue Buckingham Blue

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I did think about that myself as a temporary fix, I think the difficulty would be getting the material to be dense enough and to stay in place whilst it cures. BMW i3 Electric Car
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You could have it on its side in a vice with a plate or something holding the pour in place while it sets pretty easily I would think. Just a thought but could be a cheaper and easier option than poly bushing or replacing the whole arm. Alternatively maybe some tiger seal or equivelant in the voids could work as that is pretty thick and sticky as! Current 2007 TDV8 Vogue Buckingham Blue

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I thought you said left in situ, big vice to get the range rover in LOL BMW i3 Electric Car
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kbald wrote:
Just a thought but would using the old worn out ones left in situ but fill the voids with some self mixed polyurethane achieve the same result of repairing the original ones and give the benefit of the polybush ones?


Thee difference with the poly ones is that the sleeve is free to rotate in the centre, allowing the suspension to move up and down. If you fill the voids with poly on a standard bush, because the sleeve is bonded to the rubber, it will pretty soon rip itself to pieces.

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I got the bushes out of the E-bay arms yesterday and the Powerflex ones fitted ready to go on the car. I tried a bush extraction set but that didn't want to shift them, so I tried collapsing the metal sleeve in with a chisel but that didn't work either. In the end I cut out the centre with a hacksaw, then carefully cut almost all the way through the sleeve from the centre out. This weakened the sleeve enough to collapse it in and split it along the cut line. The E-bay arms look to be almost new.

My wife is taking my daughter out with the horse today, so I will try and get them changed over tomorrow evening. Then I can get my two new front tyres fitted and get the 4 wheel alignment done.







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Good job GDM, I would have liked to have gone that route, having seen the struggle the indi had with a ramp, press and all of the proper gear, I'm so glad I didn't. It all looks tantalisingly simple, the reality on my one really wasnt. Good luck, please update us. BMW i3 Electric Car
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