What is ETA? For us it is Estimated Time of Arrival... I may be losing something in translation there...

Dude - being uncomfortably intimate with the L494 Lever... I think that is the same module in a different subframe. Check out Pic #9/9

I'm confused - which is kind of my natural state...
You think that the L550 is electrically (CANBUSsy different?)

I swear it is the same module... it even says L494 on the side.
Did they screw things up post 2018 with that facelift or something? 2006 L322 HSE LUX 4.4NA Jag V8 Buckingham Blue/Ivory - 'Col Reb'
Rolled Yahtzee Aug 2023 222,222Miles
2016 L405 HSE TD6. Santorini Black over Almond. - 'Donna the Diesel'
Only L405 IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE with an L494 Shift Lever Fitted!
97K at purchase Sept of 2023

The system architecture changed to a 29bit frame size, 2017 or 2018 depending upon model, which is why I mentioned early on that the donor parts need to be from the same MY vehicle.

ETA in this context is 'edited to add' I thought you Septics loved TLA's

@Phoenix - Why can't I quote you?!?!? You're like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
(His Mamma was an American - dontcha know...)
"The system architecture changed to a 29bit frame size, 2017 or 2018 depending upon model, which is why I mentioned early on that the donor parts need to be from the same MY vehicle."
Dude - all I see are 'computer words' you may have well quoted Bull Durham -
Nuke: “I got a Porsche already. I got a 911 with a quadraphonic Blaupunkt.”
Crash: “Christ! You don’t need a quadraphonic Blaupunkt. What you need is a curveball.”
Honestly - I think a nasty change up is more effective than a curveball - but I don't have a Porsche 911 with a quadraphonic Blaupunkt... I have a Full Fat with an 825 Watt Meridian. Whaddaya gonna do?

Is MY - not Model Year? The 2014 lever worked in mine as well as the current 2016...
I do get this fault... With either the 2016 or 2014 L494 Lever but nothing comes up on the dash...

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You can't quote the last comment, only ones before...

MY is Model Year...

I applaud your work in making your RR what YOU want, once you have the surround sorted it will look very good.....

A slight word of warning though... I'm 6'5" and I have the seat all the way back, in this position I can just reach the knob, with a stick angled forward I think I would struggle getting to it without leaning forward... This is a shot from my drivers eye view, that knob is a long way away...!!!

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Haylands wrote:

You can't quote the last comment, only ones before...

MY is Model Year...

I guess you can quote - if you know the magic words - just no button appears...
I still think Churchill's quote applies as well to Phoenix as it does Russia!

@Haylands - thank you for your kind words. I am not sure where in this 11 page tome you started following, but the Lever/Console is 99.995% sorted. (This has become like the coloring book edition of War and Peace...)

I *may* take another shot at carving the filler piece out of the donor cup holder lid to get rid of the spalling, but I am going to let it simmer a while... I have a couple more ideas rolling around in this pretty li'l head and I don't want to use up the Shadow Walnut just yet.

Haylands wrote:

A slight word of warning though... I'm 6'5" and I have the seat all the way back, in this position I can just reach the knob, with a stick angled forward I think I would struggle getting to it without leaning forward...

6'-5"!?! - Big ol' biscuit eatin' boy... (legit southern buttermilk biscuits - not cookies) I'm not 6' 5", but have the same issue... all my 6' is in my legs. I fit much better in an L322 than the L405.

It is not that the stick is angled 'forward' - it is just not angled back... In my version of the L405 with a lever, the top of the beauty ring is flush/flat or slightly proud of the console lid.

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In the wild, the lever sits in a subframe attached to the floor of the L494 console, is angled aft about 21.5*, and there is a bezel that reaches down to fill the gap.

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If I did the math(s) correct that would get you about 59mm or 2.32" at the top - which would be almost perfect for my long legs and shorter arms.

The problem was(is) there was nothing in the L405 console floor which to anchor the L494 subframe. Given my limited brain function, and no 3D scanning tools/experience - there was no point of reference from which to start. Now that I have the JDGASubframe (patent pending...) figured out, I MAY try to work out how to angle it aft and have the L494 bezel work out with the console. The Upside - 2" aft. The Downside - catches crumbs from the aforementioned Biscuits... (I'm Clarkson's Fat American - we eat in our trucks)

Here is the underside of the L405 Console as I have the lever configured today.

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The JDGASubframe (patent pending...) fits under (lower in the console) the front side of the Terrain Response Module. Unfortunately there is not a lot of real estate behind the aft pegs for the spinny knob.



The #1 mandate in attempting this for me was to keep this fully reversible. If one is not constrained by that, then possibilities abound! The silver 'Range Rover' bit of plastic could be removed and the underlying substraight carefully trimmed, but that will only gain about an inch aft.

One could also go full on Mat Armstrong-cut-off-wheel-happy (https://www.youtube.com/@MatArmstrongbmx) and replace the driver's side of the console with one from an L494. (these are eBay photos... I have done ZERO cypherin' to see if that would actually work) I *think* that the Terrain Response module and EPB are the same... @Phoenix?



RE: Hiding the climate screen... You are correct. Being a bit of a 'Knob' myself, I prefer the buttons and knobs of the L322. I tolerate the 2016 climate knobs, I would not want the screen of the facelift.

I tend to keep trucks for over a decade and let the previous owner take the depreciation - by the time I am ready for a 'new' Range Rover... John Kerry and Klaus Schwab will have us riding in rickshaws whilst watching them jet/yacht all over the world to save us from ourselves. I imagine the L666 Rickshaw will be back to a less touchscreen experience.

I am certainly willing to lend any hand I can... but use this information at your own risk.
I believe the 'kids these days' call it "FAFO" 2006 L322 HSE LUX 4.4NA Jag V8 Buckingham Blue/Ivory - 'Col Reb'
Rolled Yahtzee Aug 2023 222,222Miles
2016 L405 HSE TD6. Santorini Black over Almond. - 'Donna the Diesel'
Only L405 IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE with an L494 Shift Lever Fitted!
97K at purchase Sept of 2023

Haylands wrote:

A slight word of warning though... I'm 6'5" and I have the seat all the way back, in this position I can just reach the knob, with a stick angled forward I think I would struggle getting to it without leaning forward... This is a shot from my drivers eye view, that knob is a long way away...!!!

Also with the non original HVAC screen the stick would block a lot of it out and make it difficult to get to the dial....

Could the stick be placed further back, where the little Range Rover plaque is...???

Looking at this again... That touchscreen must be like the U of Mizzou Homecoming Queen... Pretty, but kind of Thick...

There is no room between the "D" and the screen!

In theory - I have already gained you a little room...
5mm is not much... but still
(I have the worst cell phone camera in the known universe.)

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Since I currently also own an L494 Console... I looked at the underside

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The Terrain Response/EPB mounting holes look the same, and the aft end of the cutout is radiused like the L405... but naturally there are no pegs for the spinny knob since the lever mounts in a frame on the bottom of the console... The bezel has 'hooks' that slide under the console lid and then snap into the holes in the front. If one of y'all has the 3D scanning/modelling skills - it would be something to see! 2006 L322 HSE LUX 4.4NA Jag V8 Buckingham Blue/Ivory - 'Col Reb'
Rolled Yahtzee Aug 2023 222,222Miles
2016 L405 HSE TD6. Santorini Black over Almond. - 'Donna the Diesel'
Only L405 IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE with an L494 Shift Lever Fitted!
97K at purchase Sept of 2023

PS - if anyone is thinking about doing this and you have the original OEM Macassar interior...
Here are a couple of cup holder lids that can be used as raw material for the filler trim piece!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305294544932?mkci...media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276072076753?mkci...media=COPY 2006 L322 HSE LUX 4.4NA Jag V8 Buckingham Blue/Ivory - 'Col Reb'
Rolled Yahtzee Aug 2023 222,222Miles
2016 L405 HSE TD6. Santorini Black over Almond. - 'Donna the Diesel'
Only L405 IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE with an L494 Shift Lever Fitted!
97K at purchase Sept of 2023

Thanks for typing all that.... I think I'll keep my big shiny knob for now.... I still like playing with it.....!!!

When I'm bored and want a change I'll fit the stick and have something to grab.....  Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
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"Typing all that" seems to be what I do. Hopefully @Stan is not charging me by the word...

One thing to note - really for everyone - is that the shifter takes some getting used to!
I swap between my 2006 L322 and the L405 quite a bit. Frankly I prefer the L322, but the fuel economy of the TD6 is hard to pass up. The Mrs. and (grown) kids all prefer the L405 - it is usually shinier and doesn't have that slight smell of the dogs.

Yesterday - Dec 17 - I pulled into a clients drive to drop some boards. Pulled the trigger and 'slammed' the leaver forward like I do the L322... I was halfway out of the truck before I noticed it was rolling back down the drive in Reverse!!!
This is a pic of an L494 - I posted this on the other forum - this is the shift pattern of the L494.

Thanks again to everyone...

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So a couple days older and a couple of days wiser(?).

Apparently the spinny knob has tendency to freeze up, and strand you in a parking lot (car park). Did we know this?
I took the truck by my Indy Service Center and they asked if I did the swap to get away from being stranded on the side of the road... No, Whitney... I did it for World Domination!!!

World Domination aside... apparently the weak spot in the L494 shift lever is the trigger button. More specifically the @ss end of the trigger button. There is a hinge that toggles a 'rod' that lifts a gate which depresses a contact telling the pc board to register the gear change. It only sounds Rube Goldberg-esque - because it is.
I noticed this when I was in the process of destroying the original MY14 L494 module. I took a quick look and the 'rod' seemed fine in the 2016 that is installed.
Apparently L494 guys with any mechanical ability, drive around with the 'repair kit' (an actual thing that JLR sells) and a T8 in the 'boot' just waiting for it to snap.
LR117072 - LAND ROVER GEAR SHIFT MODULE REPAIR KIT 2014-2021 RANGE ROVER SPORT
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255566633790?mkci...media=COPY
I have an extra T8 on order, and now, my own repair kit(entrails of the MY14 that I destroyed) in a Ziploc baggie in the glovebox.


I bring this up because Whitney said that they have boxes of dead L405 spinny knobs in the back...
Ellow Vickah! The 12 PIN SCAB 'connector' comes off of dead spinny knobs!

If my dudes have boxes of dead spinny knobs - then so does every other LR Service Center... It seems that one could go by and purchase a dead one for a couple of bucks and harvest the SCAB off the back! Crimp/Glue on the pins, find an L494 pigtail... (I don't really know how to contextually use "Bob's your Uncle!" but it seems like it would fit somewhere in here.) [Insert: "Bob's your Uncle!]



I thought of this after some Catfish on Red Beans & Rice at the Cajun place in front of Bear Valley.
I also met a wonderful human called Joe, who has started an artisanal Hattian Rum Brand named "Navet 1804". I am not a rumbullion guy, but the aged stuff rivals any high end Scotch or Bourbon I have enjoyed... I doubt you can find it - but if you do, snatch up a bottle or two.
I have an email in to Bear Valley to see if they would sell me a half dozen scabs or so.
This could potentially be a Kit yet! 2006 L322 HSE LUX 4.4NA Jag V8 Buckingham Blue/Ivory - 'Col Reb'
Rolled Yahtzee Aug 2023 222,222Miles
2016 L405 HSE TD6. Santorini Black over Almond. - 'Donna the Diesel'
Only L405 IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE with an L494 Shift Lever Fitted!
97K at purchase Sept of 2023

That's a very good idea!

Gentlemen,
I put these drawings together in hopes they help someone down the road.

Here is the 'subframe' that has the L494 bolted down to it and then the subframe is screwed UP into the original L405 mounting holes. I made mine from 4mm Baltic Birch Plywood sprayed with clear enamel spray paint to help with the ambient moisture absorption. The drawing is looking up from the bottom for a Left Hand Drive.
If you were cutting this on a scroll saw or jig saw - I don't think it matters - you cut it out and flip it over.
If you are using a CNC then it would have to be mirrored. The slotted holes are to allow front to back adjustment to fit the Veneer (shown below). I snugged them up, installed the subframe and wiggled it back and forth until the veneer filler fit - then tightened them from underneath.

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Great post and idea.