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Grimreaper

Member Since: 27 Apr 2025
Location: Dublin
Posts: 5

2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Bournville

4.4tdv8 oil change - double flush?

Hi folks
Doing my first engine oil change on a new to me 2012 4.4tdv8.
Is it best to drain the oil rather than suck it out?
And is it best practice to run an additive and change oil x2 or is that overkill?

Rgds
Bren

25th Sep 2025 6:23pm

Rambles

Member Since: 16 Apr 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 850

2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Vacuum pump gets most of it

I don’t use a flush
Just change 2x a year or every 6k miles whichever gives the most frequent interval

Use quality oil that meets or exceeds the spec requirement

25th Sep 2025 6:52pm

JayGee

Member Since: 27 Jul 2021
Location: London
Posts: 3380

2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Did it come with a service history so you know when the last change was? If not and you suspect it's been neglected it may be worth draining from the sump as this may remove any sludge buildup which can't be sucked up through the narrower tube. 2x oil changes per year are usualy sufficient but again if it's been neglected you could fill with the cheapest oil, run it up to temperature and then drain and refill with proper stuff to be sure. Make sure you use C1 grade for the final fill but it doesn't have to be a fancy high performance spec or brand as soot loading and dilution with diesel from DPF regens are the main reasons to change the oil and not any breakdown in the base stock itself unless you are using it for heavy towing or serious off road competition use. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

26th Sep 2025 8:28am

GGDR

Member Since: 26 Nov 2016
Location: London
Posts: 3561

which oil are we using at the moment guys?
my oil change is coming up due

I used Petronas from Opie last time. Cheers, Greg
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26th Sep 2025 9:47am

JayGee

Member Since: 27 Jul 2021
Location: London
Posts: 3380

I use the same or the equivalent from S&A and see no reason to change. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

26th Sep 2025 10:15am

Grimreaper

Member Since: 27 Apr 2025
Location: Dublin
Posts: 5

JayGee wrote:
Did it come with a service history so you know when the last change was? If not and you suspect it's been neglected it may be worth draining from the sump as this may remove any sludge buildup which can't be sucked up through the narrower tube. 2x oil changes per year are usualy sufficient but again if it's been neglected you could fill with the cheapest oil, run it up to temperature and then drain and refill with proper stuff to be sure. Make sure you use C1 grade for the final fill but it doesn't have to be a fancy high performance spec or brand as soot loading and dilution with diesel from DPF regens are the main reasons to change the oil and not any breakdown in the base stock itself unless you are using it for heavy towing or serious off road competition use.

Hi Yes there is good history 13 stamps
It'll be my first service so was gonna go belt & braces & was just wondering what the consensus was across the forum about service oil changes
Thanks for input

28th Sep 2025 9:03pm

Arbuckle

Member Since: 11 Nov 2018
Location: Northants
Posts: 97

2012 Range Rover Westminster 4.4 V8 Fuji White

JayGee wrote:
I use the same or the equivalent from S&A and see no reason to change.

I concur, twice a year with Smith & Allan 'Momentum' C1. One drained, the other vacuumed.
Overkill as I only do 3000 miles a year but cheaper than an unavailable new engine. Forty years of progress. 1972-2012

5th Oct 2025 2:59pm

Fox889

Member Since: 04 Jun 2019
Location: Bury St Edmunds. Suffolk
Posts: 701

2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Orkney Grey

GGDR wrote:
which oil are we using at the moment guys?
my oil change is coming up due

I used Petronas from Opie last time.

Everyone has their “favourite” oil, personally I go for Shell Helix AJ-L especially when Opie do a special.
I see you’ve still got your 4.4…….i made a comment, must be six years ago, when I was looking for one as yours is the colour combo I was looking for, you had some cool ‘London’ photos.

2012 Orkney Grey Westminster 4.4TDV8 with Ivory interior.........nice!
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6th Oct 2025 8:40am

D3Jon

Member Since: 15 Aug 2020
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 559

Re: 4.4tdv8 oil change - double flush?

Grimreaper wrote:
Hi folks
Doing my first engine oil change on a new to me 2012 4.4tdv8.
Is it best to drain the oil rather than suck it out?
And is it best practice to run an additive and change oil x2 or is that overkill?

Rgds
Bren

If you mean an engine flush additive, then that's generally regarded as bad practice these days. Modern oils have plenty of detergents already, and a well maintained car won't need any sort of flush additive.

The detergents present in engine flushing additives are very harsh and can reportedly damage engine seals and also dislodge useful deposits that are helping slightly worn seals keep oil inside the engine.

Best to avoid, in my opinion. There's a video on YouTube somewhere discussing how damaging a flush additive can be to your engine.

As the car is new to you, I think the best advice (as stated by others), is to put in some cheaper oil of the correct spec, run it up to temperature and then drop that out. Or if you're feeling 'flush' (geddit...), do a double change with your more expensive oil!

Jon 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
2014 Disco 4 HSE
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Previous: 2011 L322 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE /// 2002 L322 4.4 V8 HSE /// 2009 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 XS /// 2004 Defender 90 TD5 /// 1993 110 V8 Snatch Landrover /// 2005 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 SE (Aus) /// 1990 110 Isuzu 3.9 County (Aus) /// 1976 Series III Trayback (Aus)

6th Oct 2025 10:07am

pcourtney

Member Since: 14 Jan 2020
Location: Stansted
Posts: 1015

2011 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Sumatra Black

I concur - Jon is spot on - avoid all these additives, its not what you want in your engines !

6th Oct 2025 5:24pm

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