Helping out on a another thread i found this in my list of faults that I never investigated as i wasn't having any problems:

Quote:

“3505 Unknown (Engine)”
Glow plug relay failure - glow relay defective. This one should be investigated if your engine is hard to start when cold.

Time to check this out, seems to make sense as I have a starting up only issue ? .
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Poss worse when the weather is colder then ? 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Yes - I did ask the question earlier

9 times out of 10 , diesels struggling to start in the winter is either a battery not up to the job or glow plug issues.

May well be the answer...... There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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It is getting worse, 6/7 chatatas before starting now

I read & cleared & read faults with IIDTool and this keeps coming back:

Quote:

“3505 Unknown (Engine)”
Glow plug relay failure - glow relay defective.

but I have had this as a fault since I got the IIDTool  .
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Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

It'll manage to start ok in the warmer weather

the cold has shown the fault up to be genuine

Not had it in previous years, even when -12 degrees, and it is the same even with a hot engine? .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember
Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

I know this thread is like ages old.... Did we find an answer.

Think mines doing the same..... 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Yes, it was two knackered fuel injectors.

I did a leak test to find them (which ones) and Dan at Duckworths happened to have some injectors in a sale of the century.

Leak test and replacing injectors covered elswhere by me on forum. Also my failed attempts to replace glowplugs still have three new glow plugs available for £15 each  .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember
Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

Magic, thanks. That's pretty much what I was thinking then. Started with turning over a bit longer than it should in the summer, so I don't think it's glow plugs.

Will have to get some diagnosis done.....

 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport