I think I'll be fine on that front as no gun here and obviously after two burglaries already if I investigated an alarm that had been triggered and then feared they were a danger to a newborn child I don't think any of us would hesitate in making sure they didn't get near their nipper 👍

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Tony Martins biggest downfall was the fact the shotgun he used to shoot the pikeys with was an illegally held firearm, IIRC he claimed someone left it for him on his truck seat with a note saying "you may need this someday"

A genuine shooting from a home-owner against a burglar would be nearly imposable to prosecute under certain circumstances - say for example (and just off the top of my head) the home-owner were to pre-purchase a "realistic imitation firearm" (BB gun) when next visiting somewhere miles away from home and with cash so no paper trail /linkable CCTV footage then simply keeps it hidden away without ever showing anyone. In the unlikely event said home-owner shoots an intruder he simply plants the RIF somewhere about the person of the intruder before the cops arrive and claim self defence.

Hell, in an emergency even one of your own kitchen knives would suffice, and would be hard to prove he didn't pick it up whilst wandering around your home.

I remember years ago some company in Birmingham were trying to get a product to market that was effectively a landmine that fired a huge amount of fluorescent paint into the air when activated, stayed on the victim for days and when stood under a black light made them look like an oversized oompa-loompa, think it evolved into using smart water with microscopic metal discs in the paint that had codes on to identify where it came from, the demo I saw was someone breaking into a car to steal the stereo then a fine mist appears when he pokes his head through the window.

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Have you thought about one of these? http://www.klaxonsignals.com/industrial&am...Category=1
They really make you want to exit the building, quick I have had the misfortune to sample one of these, due to a dodgy alarm system at the place I used to work, maybe not quite the instant poo effect of the blank firing thingy, but, it goes on and on and on Can make you feel quite peculiar, and is a really good incentive to quite the gaff  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Can't imagine they cost under £50 and are easy to setup to disable when an authorised person wants to go into the area... FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Tempting fate here i know but we have had a raft of farm burglaries in the last month, quads, trailers etc up to the next farm. I have CCTV (useless apart from during the day). I know you dont want dogs. borrow one for a month, I see them all the time slowing down and sussing out the property and the dogs definitely put them off

I'd need to borrow one that's happy outdoors really and I don't know anyone that keeps their dog outside locally  FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Dont do Geese, next chap up has a flock and lost 3000 litres of diesel last week......or did he

Geese never!!! They are bad enough at parks and I haven't got room for a pond bigger than a plasters bucket lol FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Tony Martins biggest downfall was shooting them in the back as they ran away... any US cop will tell you, you shout first to make them turn around, then shoot them in the front.....!! Pete
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Or I believe that it's preferential to load your shotgun with rock salt all the shot dissolves, leaving a clean wound, and nothing to trace Plus it adds to the pain of being shot
It's hard to prove you've been shot when there aren't any bullets  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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So I am pleased we have not lost the core values of what it means to drive a FFRR

- bodies in the boot, disused quarries, correct methods for shooting someone, anti-personnel mines

A bit more classy than truck drivers, laybys and prostitutes.

And our collective knowledge on any subject always impresses me on this forum. There is nothing we can't do when we put our collective thought process together Howard
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^^ I beg to differ with you there Bud, there's nothing we can't do, EXCEPT, make a reliable Range Rover

You could be in a world of hurt saying things like that with an Arctic blast waiting to pounce , you know that your ffrr likes to prove you wrong Maybe we should all speculate on the faults that we will get..... just to be proved wrong

kingpleb "Can't imagine they cost under £50 and are easy to setup to disable when an authorised person wants to go into the area..."

You can turn them off and they will work more than once...... wots to stop the scrotes coming back half an hour later, after they've had a change of underwear? Nothing, and what happens if your not around to re-load.........  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Flash bangs........?

Massive spotlights, on PIRs and roller shutters over all openings. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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^^ you forgot the double wire fence, guards with guard dogs and the machine gun towers

A half decent alarm with PIR detectors and the Klaxon sounder, and you'll have a system that will deter most scrotes from hanging around to see the finale. Plus it will work more than once, re arm it's self, and if your really worried then you could add phone dialer to do the 999 bit automatically No risk of fire, injury, law suits or being on the wrong side of the law.

You don't even have to shoot someone to get in to trouble, if they are in fear of their life then you is in the brown stuff Although a good lawyer should be able to argue that your protecting your property, but it only takes something like the judge was the kid you all bullied at school and your back in it Is it really worth testing your luck? Surely owning a ffrr is pushing it far enough

If you really have to shoot someone, get a paintball gun and keep the ammo in the freezer, non lethal, hurts like hell, and makes it easy to pick them out, as they are covered in paint  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Generally, the process of being disturbed is what makes burglars leave the scene, they generally don't want the hassle of dealing with someone. Large sounds drawing attention is the name of the game. If challenged, most will turn and walk and make a comment of "was looking for a friend" type crap.

Failing that, if they want it they'll get it, so filming it is the thing to rely after that.

CCTV - very good, but needs to be well placed. The better footage often tends to be camera pointing to catch persons leaving a building, not entering. I remember once seeing footage from a camera placed about head height at the side of the exit looking into the shop. It caught the face of persons leaving very very well as people tend not to think about the hiding from cameras when leaving as they just want out. V8 or else ...