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Chalky



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I think he is seriously looking at Hydrogen like JLR. Don't want to name drop, but I see him now and again (out shooting), so if I get the chance I'll ask him his plans.

I think the infrastructure for Hydrogen would be easier than electric and no whacking great heavy batteries to get rid of after a few years which i don't think would be entirely "environmentally friendly", to use the latest buzzwords!

Saying that, I nearly bought an electric FFRR but didn't think it viable for me re battery charge. All LR cars from 1984
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ilard



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I know one of his direct reports, but I have to say he stays VERY tight lipped so I cannot get any goss whatsoever and not for the want of trying. Never met the big man himself. So see what you can find out. I'd love it if the line about "we're abandoning our electric vehicle project" was smoke and mirrors for doing something radical with hydrogen. D i s r u p t.

But I do not need a Dyson car. What I really need is a Dyson beard trimmer. Seriously, that is a segment crying out for some innovation. PLEASE ask him about that first! Thumbs Up I know they'd charge £299 for it, but sign me up. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

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Trommel



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JLR are fully onboard with electric, as is every big manufacturer - governments have made the choice of electric.

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That's true but previously they made the choice for diesel. Confused John
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LT



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GGDR wrote:
As I understand,producing Hydrogen requires a lot of electricity

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Hydrogen really needs to be made using renewable electricity sources for it to stack up environmentally.

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One interesting aspect of battery technology is that as the charge per Kg or charge per cubic metre increases then the energy density starts to approach that of explosives... Shocked 17 MY Corris Grey 4.4 VAB
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ilard



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Unlike petrol? Whistle L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

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Badger



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ilard wrote:
But Dyson has withdrawn from the car industry. Or was that just a decoy press release or something? Hydrogen is really exciting, you could refuel it like petrol, but I also heard it is environmentally expensive to produce which might throw some blockers in the way. It is seriously explosive, so you can't take safety lightly. And imagine how long it will take to roll out a whole new infrastructure. But I'd be supportive, it certainly feels right as a fossil fuel alternative. A small to medium battery + a hydrogen fuel tank, and it's the hybrid of the future.

In the meantime, a wee 300 BHP 4 pot petrol and a chubby 150 kg battery are good enough for me for now! I tell you this thing is seriously sprightly (and rolly). I'll be offering drag races for 5.0SC and 4.4 SDV8 owners next thing you know
Rolling with laughter
well, a drag race to 30 mph, and strictly in a straight line Rolling Eyes


re the (rolly) comment, did you know that the P400e automatically sets itself to COMFORT mode, which is much more wallowy than the previous models? You can set it to DYNAMIC which is a little firmer, by raising the circular button down behind the handbrake, and then using the VEHICLE section of the large bottom screen to change it.

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Not sure what the overall environmental saving might be but surely minds cleverer than mine could solve any problems with manufacturing hydrogen at the fuel station (you theoretically only need water and electricity to produce it) then you have zero distribution costs (ie no tankers transporting it all around ther place) and no massive production plants in one place. Other models might be local production plants with local distribution networks.

Whatever we end up with, hydrogen is the future. The problems ('challenges,' 'opportunities' - insert as applicable to your management/leadership ethos!) can all be solved eventually. Drives:
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Andy S



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Now I’m no chemist, (got a U grade in my chemistry o level....) but I believe hydrogen exists in the atmosphere, so surely (?) all we need to do is create a system which can draw hydrogen from the atmosphere, pressurise it and then feed it directly into a combustion chamber to force a piston down. In other words the vehicle itself captures the hydrogen with no need to store a large volume under pressure and no need for an expensive storage and distribution network.

Any chemists on here can and no doubt will point out all the shortcomings and challenges to this!

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LT



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I also failed Chemistry O level. My understanding is that the equipment needed to produce a sufficient amount of hydrogen is large in size and therefore wouldn't fit into a car.

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ilard



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I got chucked out of chemistry. But I found the earth’s atmosphere contains:
Nitrogen — 78 percent
Oxygen — 21 percent
Argon — 0.93 percent
Carbon dioxide — 0.04 percent
Trace amounts of neon, helium, methane, krypton and hydrogen, as well as water vapour

So the practical source of hydrogen would be from water, not the atmosphere. I also heard that - today - the equipment and power required is large, but that could change if someone has a brainwave.

Badger, I only tried Dynamic briefly and too soon for me to decide what difference it makes. That said, I don’t mind the roly poly, I specifically bought this for comfort. I might just need to Velcro my son to the back seat. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

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Bill



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Chalky wrote:
JLR have stopped investing in electric and are concentrating on Hydrogen. So is Dyson.


This article is a year old, so what happened?

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Bill



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LT wrote:
I also failed Chemistry O level. My understanding is that the equipment needed to produce a sufficient amount of hydrogen is large in size and therefore wouldn't fit into a car.


I passed my chemistry, and one other o level!

A universit only this week has started to run some of its campus heating on hydrogen.

The hydrogen converter is a 20 foot container, powered by sunlight.

That produces the gas, to then be put into your cars hydrogen tank. Scale the 20 foot container down and put that in the garden...... maybe?

Ps it was a poor o level pass Laughing He who dies with the most toys, Wins !!!!!

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