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wanderer



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Would you order a new RR now

One of those impossible personal questions, but always worthwhile hearing thoughts from others ....

My current car is due for renewal next summer. I've decided to return to the RR fold; my last was the L322 Westminster run out model. However, do I get another end of the line, L405 this time, or find an interim option to wait for the L460, that's the question?

I'm tempted to go with the current model, both because it's as yet uncertain as to when the new model will be available, but also chances are there'll be teething troubles (and I like the current shape - still undecided on the velar shape). If it sways comments, I'm looking at the 5L V8, which it looks like won't be available either in the new model.

Thoughts would be most welcome as I make my mind up.

Thanks

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I’d buy a 1 year old L405 and keep it until the new model is about 12 months old, then make a decision on changing. MY19 SDV8 Autobiography

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Agree, dodge the first year depreciation if you can.

There were some new pre-reg’s available earlier in this year. I expect they will return again before next summer. My last 2 RR’s were new pre-reg’s both with significant discounts. MY19 4.4 SDV8 Vogue SE
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If your considering a very very late L405 is that in the hope or expectation they have ironed out all the niggles?

I just wonder, as an ex-owner of an L322 Westie, did they iron-out all (ha!) or enough of the niggles toward the end of production to make it a really good car, in your view? Did you feel like it was a ‘sorted’ car? Much like the L405 is now? (Not implying that the ‘405 was never less than epic)

Personally, I like late production cars over a brand new generation launch.

Interesting conundrum! 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster - Baltic Blue, Jet interior, 20" Shadow Chrome Supercharged alloys.

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Late L322 still had oil cooler gasket issues and turbo drain mod needed on some. So, run out models don’t always make sense Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory interior and clear glass
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L322 “Still” had oil cooler issues?....... it was the start of the 4.4 TDV8 engines run.... so brought new issues to the L322 at the end of its run.... unlikely that issue would have ever have been solved that quickly.

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Personally, I like late production cars over a brand new generation launch.


It's a rolling cycle; as Dr. Rob says the 4.4TDV8 which was renamed SDV8 was newly introduced to the last of the L322's has issues because it was new.

The LCD dash was new to the last of the L322's too, amongst other features which carried over to the L405.

So no car is all-new strictly speaking.

As a big fan of the L322 I do think (despite the oil leaks of the 4.4TDV8) is very well sorted and well appointed - it's the best of them. Really quite different in so many incremental ways to the 2002 L322.

In the same way that a 2020 L405 is very different to the 2013 L405.

My feeling is you dive in to a price point you feel is right and drive off into the sunset.

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DrRob wrote:
Late L322 still had oil cooler gasket issues and turbo drain mod needed on some. So, run out models don’t always make sense Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter



Haha! Oh I do know Smile

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wanderer



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Hmmm, very good points. I certainly did have problems with my 2012 Westminster; was in the dealer 6 or 7 times for the EGR and they still couldn’t fix it (a sorry end to an otherwise wonderful 4 years - apart from the parking sensors failing on day one).

I guess my thinking was more about getting the current model when the new one is possibly months from being available. That said, I wasn’t a fan of the 405 when it came out, much preferring the lines of the 322. Over the years I now like the 405. So chances are it’ll take me a while to like the 460 by which time I’ll be ready to change (I tend to keep my main cars for c 4 years and then change - that way - whilst more expensive - it becomes more of a disposable item and bothers me less ( Whistle ) when things go wrong.

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Re: Would you order a new RR now

wanderer wrote:
I'm looking at the 5L V8, which it looks like won't be available either in the new model.


What makes you think that? Last summer, I heard that JLR was building a new V8 manufacturing line.

In any case, it will most likely take a couple of model years for JLR to work out the bugs from the next generation vehicle. The L405 had them fixed by MY15. So, the question is: how long are you willing to wait until you get a new car? Can you hold out for 3-4 years?

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Hmmm - I thought most of the bugs were introduced for MY17.....

That certainly seemed to be the only MY that had multiple people on here rejecting new cars as the dealers couldn’t resolve issues after numerous attempts.

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Those software issues are why I’ll hang on to my 2016 MY VSE for a while yet. Only 40,000 miles on it so good for years yet......

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If you’re comfortable with the cost/affordability/depreciation etc. go for it. 👍

Seeing as you asked, I’d buy a low mileage used L405 from a dealer. That’s only because I just don’t think they’re worth the new price. Just my opinion though and based on my (pre-Covid) vehicle use.

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