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| Danb_220_2019 Member Since: 02 Jan 2023 Location: Suffolk Posts: 250   
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Sorry, but the moment I read or hear 'mainstream media' or 'MSM' I cannot help associating that with conspiracy nuts banging on about 'fake news' when they're mostly peddling exactly that.
I'm not going to get into the EV debate. Some people will never be convinced, but I run an EV and have done since 2015. I'm the first to admit they're far from perfect, and the charging infrastructure and grid infrastructure need a lot of investment to work properly, as do the vehicles themselves for some use cases. I'd much rather be running a Hydrogen powered car, but they're not available in volume. What all the EV doomsayers forget is we're still in the first 15 years of widely available, consumer-grade electric vehicles. Think about where the fossil-fuelled car industry was in the fist 15 years post Model T Ford. Early adoption was crucial to driving innovation and improvement then, and remains so now.
What exactly is *wrong* with the idea? I live rurally at present, but I would be perfectly happy to live somewhere within 15 minutes' walk of major amenities, and to save using my vehicles (EV, ICE, or otherwise) for longer trips between locations where amenities are clustered. For those that want to needlessly drive miles to go to a Post Office, bank, food shop, or whatever, there will still be plenty of rural areas for them to hide in. Encouraging people to walk/cycle a bit more would do no end of good for people's health, which benefits wellbeing and reduces the cost of whole-life healthcare, so what is there to complain about?
What on earth makes you bring Ukraine into it? That's just nonsensical. Vehicle Excise Duty is just a convenient general taxation method which allows the government to collect a broadly known amount of revenue for the country's whole vehicle estate. So EVs are exempt in some cases, with some exceptions for new vehicles? So what? People buying them are paying a premium price over comparable ICE vehicles and hence a premium in VAT at purchase - they're also paying through VAT on kWh of electricity used for the miles they do. Yes, that's at a lower rate than petrol and diesel, but I refer back to the 'premium price' point.
ICE vehicles may well be (indeed are IMHO) the best option for certain use cases, but for others they clearly are not. I use my EV for short or urban journeys, but one of my ICE vehicles for other uses, such as driving for pleasure, long journeys, or load-carrying/towing. I for one am happy to live in a rural area where air quality is generally excellent - I'd much rather not have to breathe in the blood-brain barrier-crossing particulates and noxious gases that proliferate in our over-polluted cities, and EVs are a good step to take in reducing that for the good of other people. Yes, OK, the anti-EV movement will spout on about the fossil-fuelled electricity generation that allows for that, but they don't put power stations in the middle of cities, they are (these days) tightly pollution-controlled, and there are significant steps in renewable energy that are changing that. And yes, I would be happy to have wind turbine, nuclear power station, or solar farm 'in my backyard'. Sure, rare-earth metals are indeed in finite supply, but just in case anyone's still wondering, there's also a finite supply of rotten dinosaurs for ICE vehicles to use.
To my first sentence, I feel the same the moment I hear 'they' from the tinfoil-team.
No comment. EDITS: for wording, grammar, and to clarify points. 2012 (L322) 4.4TDV8 Vogue SE, RSE, Fuji White over Arabica. Previous V8s: BMW 645Ci, P38 4.6, P38 4.0, Merc CL500 Previous others: Honda x1, Volvo x7, Rover x6, BMW x6, Ford x1, Mercedes x2, Skoda x3, VW x2, Renault x2, Citroen x1, Mazda x3, Nissan x1, Audi x3, Kia x1, Fiat x4, Subaru x3, Austin x2, Triumph x2, Jeep x2, Hyundai x2, Lexus x1, Mitsubishi x1, Saab x2... and some others I've forgotten! |
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3rd Mar 2023 1:12pm |
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| RRover Member Since: 17 May 2021 Location: Sussex Posts: 278 
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So you're fairly fixed in your mind-set then. And the very mention of the word mainstream-media or maybe even MSM or in fact the word 'they' sets your conspiracy tin-foil hat warning beacons to full capacity? The very fact that you support the 15-min towns cities (not a teacher are you?) puts your perspective in a nutshell.
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3rd Mar 2023 6:27pm |
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| Hanwellfields Member Since: 22 Dec 2022 Location: Oxfordshire/ Cotswold Posts: 89 
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Just entered into L322 ownership. Tax is eye watering but… Every time I drive the RR I have a smile.
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3rd Mar 2023 8:54pm |
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| RRover Member Since: 17 May 2021 Location: Sussex Posts: 278
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Yes have to fully agree the L322 always puts a warm fuzzy smile on your face when driving... |
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4th Mar 2023 12:30pm |
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| Dolphinboy Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bristol Posts: 3057 
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just finished a flawless, fault-free 1600 mile round trip to the alps. return to Calais took 10 hours, including 1 x fuel stop. got out both ends stress-free and ache-free. guess I'm going to be keeping my 12 yr old 121,000 miler for a wee while longer, regardless of taxes and fuel price rip-offs. |
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4th Mar 2023 2:04pm |
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| stan Site Moderator Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation Posts: 34914
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sounds like a great trip J.....no broken limbs then? ... - .- -.
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4th Mar 2023 2:47pm |
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| Dolphinboy Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bristol Posts: 3057
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No major injuries thanks Stan. Was boarding (probably for the last time: getting too old and stiff)) and had a few back scratches on the icy black "le Face" in Val Disere but shoulders knees and wrists all intact. |
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4th Mar 2023 4:27pm |
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| stan Site Moderator Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation Posts: 34914
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excellent |
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4th Mar 2023 6:13pm |
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| RRover Member Since: 17 May 2021 Location: Sussex Posts: 278
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Looks like Alpine heaven. I miss the Alps. |
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4th Mar 2023 6:30pm |
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| Dolphinboy Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bristol Posts: 3057
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meanwhile back on topic: from today's Times.
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5th Mar 2023 5:59pm |
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| Arch Stanton Member Since: 26 Apr 2012 Location: chavshire Posts: 377  
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doesnt bother me either, my old BMW 335i was 550 something annually and my Rangey will drop down from 165+355 to 165 next year. That v8 sound and wafting ability is worth every penny. First time FFRR owner |
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5th Mar 2023 9:19pm |
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| RRover Member Since: 17 May 2021 Location: Sussex Posts: 278
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More bad news on multiple EV front/s: even the salespeople are seeing the end of them now, finally.
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25th Mar 2023 3:02pm |
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