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mattstevenson2005



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Thrasher wrote:
Hmmm well tbh, I wouldn't attempt the change, I had a 2004, a 2006 and now a 2010. The only major change was the 2010. I don't think it is worth the pain to change the entire interior, and the 2009 seats are *worse* than the 2002-2006 BMW ones......

That's just my opinion though Smile

Just do what Daveo and elpedee have done and get a carputer fitted. It does more than the 2009 system.....and will cost a damn sight less Thumbs Up


Hi mate, well i went on a test drive this afternoon in a 2008 TDV8 with the new style seats and you are correct the new style seats are rubbish compared to my current BMW comfort seats.

*Update*

After a lot of research and consideration on this project i have decided that 'technically' it is possible to transplant the new style interior from a 07 onwards donor car in to a 02-05 vehicle, as everything 'cosmetic' from the donor vehicle still runs on the original BMW iBus network, inc lights, HVAC, BCU etc.. The only thing that runs on a different network that would be transplanted is the infotainment system which runs on the MOST fibre network and this can be linked to the iBus network with the 'Gateway ECU'. The only thing that really has caused me to scratch my brain is the airbag problem and because of this major issue i have decided that i will not be attempting this project at the moment.

On the other hand i am going to be installing a OEM grade carpc into the range rover to replace the old BMW style screen and navigation system. I am going to be documenting the progress on this project here http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/worklogs/1...stall.html
The new car pc i am building will use the touch screen from a 05-09 range rover and i am planning to remove the original land rover touch screen and fit a 7" TFT touch screen running on a custom car pc installed in the entertainment compartment in the rear. The user interface of the carpc will be Ride Runner running a custom Range Rover 2010 skin that i have created, if you check out the link above there is a sample of what the skin looks like! I am not planning to replace the sound system in the car (yet?) but i am going to be fully integrating the carpc into the range rovers electrics to control things like the original radio, onboard computer, instrument cluster - the steering wheel controls and the buttons on the front of the range rover nav screen will also be integrated into the system - the system will look totally OEM but give me much more functionality!

I would like to thank everyone who replied to this thread on the interior upgrade and if i ever find a way to solve the airbag problem this project will be back on!

*PS* - If any one has a nav screen from a 05-09 Range Rover that is faulty or does not work and you want to get rid and make a few quid will you PM me as all i need is the frame from the screen so the paint on the frame need to be not damaged.

Thanks

Matt


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hi matt, i use carx as its menu's are created to look the same as the factory ones, it all works fine but the only thing to let it down is the res of the screen, i dont want an after market all in one unit as i still want all the factory options, so again i will be watching closely and will be looking to do the same.
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hi matt. the screen shot looks good, what will be unber 4x4.. and there was no section for computer, ie trip, fuel ect
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daveo wrote:
hi matt. the screen shot looks good, what will be unber 4x4.. and there was no section for computer, ie trip, fuel ect
do you have a link to the programe


Not decided yet, i will more than likely rename that label to something like Vehicle Info and put all the trip computer, fuel info in there. I just put the 4x4 Info label on while i was copying the original design. There is no 'program' as such, all the screens like the sample one are custom designed in photoshop from photos of the user interface on the 2010 range rover, then imported into the Ride Runner Skin Editor Tool and the functions added to the design e.g. button presses etc....

On your carpc do you use the CIS-IBUS unit to connect your pc to the factory screen? I am exactly the same as you i want to keep the factory options too. My plan is to recreate the 'original' BMW interface and features in ride runner and use the ibus interface to 'read' the values from the multiple ECU's on the ibus network.

This project is very easy to do compared to the interior upgrade, in fact i have already built and tested some of the user interface and tested some of the ibus commands by connecting my laptop to the car and at the moment it is working. The hardest part is going to be integrating the BMW radio module into the pc as my plan is to create a radio screen on the pc and then the software will query the radio module over the ibus for the stations that are in range of the car and allow the user to scroll the list and select the station then override the sound coming from the pc and play the sound from the radio. I am using the BM54 radio module as a AUX IN to the range rovers sound system for the pc sound so selecting the radio option on the pc should allow me to just to change the audo source on the radio module, but i have not tested this theory out yet

Matt

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I went through all the same thought processes - except for the late interior. I started with an MID RR and ended up retrofitting the BMW based nav on top of which I'm now adding my CarPC (it's been in the works for a while Rolling Eyes you might have seen my post in Colin's thread).

I looked into various options but I def wanted an oem appearance. What stopped me from going the route you want to go is that I wanted to keep all the oem functionality (as well as the buttons and knobs working) and add functionality rather than running everything through a carpc. I hate the thought of not being able to turn the volume down or switch to another task/prog because my pc is busy/booting/etc. And, as the integration possibilities with a MOST system are next to zero, I decided to stick with the ibus system and build on that. I looked into replacing the monitor as daveo would like to do, but the screen's driver board is one with the button board and I did not want to get that deep in on this (I'm taking way too long as is... There are a couple of guys on MP3car who have made up new button boards, btw). So I've added a digitzer to a second monitor and am now in the process playing with various setups. The original resolution is ok as long as what you want to look at is scaled for the screen but I can def understand wanting to go better.

I'll be watching your progress. 
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mattstevenson2005 wrote:
On your carpc do you use the CIS-IBUS unit to connect your pc to the factory screen? I am exactly the same as you i want to keep the factory options too. My plan is to recreate the 'original' BMW interface and features in ride runner and use the ibus interface to 'read' the values from the multiple ECU's on the ibus network.

This project is very easy to do compared to the interior upgrade, in fact i have already built and tested some of the user interface and tested some of the ibus commands by connecting my laptop to the car and at the moment it is working. The hardest part is going to be integrating the BMW radio module into the pc as my plan is to create a radio screen on the pc and then the software will query the radio module over the ibus for the stations that are in range of the car and allow the user to scroll the list and select the station then override the sound coming from the pc and play the sound from the radio. I am using the BM54 radio module as a AUX IN to the range rovers sound system for the pc sound so selecting the radio option on the pc should allow me to just to change the audo source on the radio module, but i have not tested this theory out yet

Matt

That's what I get for keeping the window open so long w/o posting...

I believe daveo is using the Resler iBus interface and a VGA to NTSC convertor going into the reverse camera input on the TV module. I've used that too but now have the CIS.

One of the main reason I decided to stay with the oem system and add is that I wanted to stick with the oem sound system too. Are you a member of the hack-the-ibus group yet. Good info there if you're planning on trying to control the radio via pc. After modifying my nav fw I have speed cam alerts, etc and am quite happy - so I'll be sticking with that too. I do want real off-road nav and ipod/iphone integration as well. We'll see. 
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Its great to see so many people modifying there range rovers!! some people have the idea that because these vehicles are so expensive you cant make modifications or improvements as nothing will work lol! My plan is not to lose any of the original functionality at all in fact you will still be able to control every aspect of the original system (sound, OBC, radio, CD etc...) from the carpc display. You will also be able to control the system from the buttons on the front of the land rover touch screen panel as i am planning to re-wire the buttons on the panel to a HID controller so that i can have both hard and soft buttons just like on the OEM system. e.g. the power button on the front of the panel will provide a way to control the power for the carpc - the pc will start booting when the doors are unlocked but if the needed can be force shutdown with this power button - also the the audio buttons on the panel will control music tracks, radio stations etc... just as they would normally on the OEM system.

When you were talking about waiting for boot up, i am currently spec'ing a carpc that should have a boot time of less than 20 secs thanks to a SSD (solid state hard drive) so this is not a great difference than the original OEM system.

Matt

SteveMFr wrote:
I went through all the same thought processes - except for the late interior. I started with an MID RR and ended up retrofitting the BMW based nav on top of which I'm now adding my CarPC (it's been in the works for a while Rolling Eyes you might have seen my post in Colin's thread).

I looked into various options but I def wanted an oem appearance. What stopped me from going the route you want to go is that I wanted to keep all the oem functionality (as well as the buttons and knobs working) and add functionality rather than running everything through a carpc. I hate the thought of not being able to turn the volume down or switch to another task/prog because my pc is busy/booting/etc. And, as the integration possibilities with a MOST system are next to zero, I decided to stick with the ibus system and build on that. I looked into replacing the monitor as daveo would like to do, but the screen's driver board is one with the button board and I did not want to get that deep in on this (I'm taking way too long as is... There are a couple of guys on MP3car who have made up new button boards, btw). So I've added a digitzer to a second monitor and am now in the process playing with various setups. The original resolution is ok as long as what you want to look at is scaled for the screen but I can def understand wanting to go better.

I'll be watching your progress.

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I have a SSD as well - more for reasons of reliability than speed tho.

Afre you planning on keeping the oem nav or going to a pc based nav prog?

If you've not seen it, this thread is quite interesting:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/worklogs/1...rklog.html

I'm off to bed. It's an hour later here Razz

cheers
Steve 
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i use carx on the ibus, restler interface that looks for the tape command and when it see's it switches the the monitor to reversing input via a ground wire, this then displays the pc carx on the monitor, the switch is fautles
the sound is input via the tape input in the radio

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here is a few pics trying to convert the monitor to a svga 800x600 screen,

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