the early stuff is ibus and yes you need to get your hands on that all important gateway module, this was indeed used on the 2005 models and are as rare as, so if you have a source please put me down for one.
the seats will fit, the door trims will fit the pillar trims will fit.parcel shelf and carpet will fit even the rear quarter glass will fit..on the later cars a lot of the loom plugs change but this can be overcome.
the centre consol will not fit as yours and mine have the bmw gearbox and as stated the jag box gear stick is in a different place.now the dash i cant see fitting as the hole hav system is different and would be a nightmare to do. again with the later steering wheel it has a different language
you need to over come the can bus as this is used on the newer cars and the gateway module is your first step.. but good luck you will have plenty of people following you, inc my self.. V8 facelift Range Rover Autobiography 22" wheels.
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Hi Daveo, yes you are correct about the rare 'gateway ecu' P/N YWC500422 but you should be able to get one of these from a land rover dealership for around £300. The gear shift is not actually physically attached to the gearbox it is bolted to the centre console reinforcement and a cable is attached to the gearbox to allow the gear shift to operate. The 09 centre console reinforcement will allow it to be move, the only issue with this is the manual hand brake needs to be accommodated, which should be possible with the removal of the 09 e-brake control (along with a bit of custom trim modification) With regards to the nav unit Colin from Blackbox Solutions is currently working on this project to 'transplant' the touch screen infotainment system into the earlier vehicles, but as i would be swapping my current dash and dash reinforcement for the 09 on the 09 dash will fit just as it does in the original 09 vehicle.

The steering wheel buttons on the 09 vehicle run on the same ibus network as in the 02MY vehicle, it was only on the 10MY vehicles that the design of the wheel controls changed and now they run on the CAN bus network. Im glad that this project has sparked interest as im sure if i decide to proceed with the upgrade i will need to call on everyones expertise!

Matt

daveo wrote:

the early stuff is ibus and yes you need to get your hands on that all important gateway module, this was indeed used on the 2005 models and are as rare as, so if you have a source please put me down for one.
the seats will fit, the door trims will fit the pillar trims will fit.parcel shelf and carpet will fit even the rear quarter glass will fit..on the later cars a lot of the loom plugs change but this can be overcome.
the centre consol will not fit as yours and mine have the bmw gearbox and as stated the jag box gear stick is in a different place.now the dash i cant see fitting as the hole hav system is different and would be a nightmare to do. again with the later steering wheel it has a different language
you need to over come the can bus as this is used on the newer cars and the gateway module is your first step.. but good luck you will have plenty of people following you, inc my self..

So you are not going to a 2010MY interior, but a 2006-9 interior without the TFT dash? Just so I am following this correctly..... Land Rover Addict
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Thrasher wrote:

So you are not going to a 2010MY interior, but a 2006-9 interior without the TFT dash? Just so I am following this correctly.....

Hmmm well tbh, I wouldn't attempt the change, I had a 2004, a 2006 and now a 2010. The only major change was the 2010. I don't think it is worth the pain to change the entire interior, and the 2009 seats are *worse* than the 2002-2006 BMW ones......

That's just my opinion though

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Thrasher wrote:

Hmmm well tbh, I wouldn't attempt the change, I had a 2004, a 2006 and now a 2010. The only major change was the 2010. I don't think it is worth the pain to change the entire interior, and the 2009 seats are *worse* than the 2002-2006 BMW ones......

That's just my opinion though

Just do what Daveo and elpedee have done and get a carputer fitted. It does more than the 2009 system.....and will cost a damn sight less

I really would check out the seats, also look at one with about 40,000 on the clock and notice the damage ... the leather is softer. They do not have the same amount of adjustment as the pre-2007 either. I was lucky that my 2006 was an early one with the manual handbrake etc, and BMW seats still. 2004 and my 2006 had more comfortable seats than my 2010.

The engine/gearbox is much better in the 2010. Very smooth and very quick. Best vehicle I have driven - would be better with my 2006 seats tho!

I know where you are coming from - but I did the exact opposite with my Discovery. I swapped the engine and eventually gearbox, for a 4.6V8  Land Rover Addict
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matt, so you are going with the 09 steering wheel controls, now are thes the same as the earlier models or as they started fitting the new style steering wheel controls with the 4 way thumb swithes at the top, as these are what i have and was told they are can bus. V8 facelift Range Rover Autobiography 22" wheels.
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daveo wrote:

matt, so you are going with the 09 steering wheel controls, now are thes the same as the earlier models or as they started fitting the new style steering wheel controls with the 4 way thumb swithes at the top, as these are what i have and was told they are can bus.

Sounds ambitious, to say the least, Matt.

The biggest problem you're going to face, is that the later RR has a second CAN bus added. And AFAIK the gateway ecu only goes between the MOST bus/I bus (Infotainment), and the medium speed (MS) CAN, not HS CAN to MS CAN. This is the job of the newer instrument cluster (IIRC - no guarantees. I suffer from CRS). Most of the vehicle critical systems on the later RR (ABS, Airbags, DSC, EAS, etc, etc) are on the HS CAN - this is simply not on your RR yet and there are no provisions for it. The only ECU's you have in common with a post 06 are the BCU and LCM and non critical items such as the FBH if fitted (IIRC, as stated above). All that said, anything can be done with enough time and money and maybe Colin will be able to give you a better solution, but I believe it might be easier to purchase a totaled 06 or later RR and swap everything including motor and transmission to your body. And then we get back to the economics of a swap like this...

As long as Colin hasn't answered, check the Blackbox site. Under 'Downloads' there is some very good info on the various busses, ECU's etc.

If I were to have to try something like this, I'd probably stick with the original electronics and adapt the switches/etc. I'd especially leave all original SRS/airbag items in place - which of course creates huge problems with the dashboard/glovebox, doorcards, etc as there are no provisions for releasing the original airbags in the later bits... 
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SteveMFr wrote:

Sounds ambitious, to say the least, Matt.

The biggest problem you're going to face, is that the later RR has a second CAN bus added. And AFAIK the gateway ecu only goes between the MOST bus/I bus (Infotainment), and the medium speed (MS) CAN, not HS CAN to MS CAN. This is the job of the newer instrument cluster (IIRC - no guarantees. I suffer from CRS). Most of the vehicle critical systems on the later RR (ABS, Airbags, DSC, EAS, etc, etc) are on the HS CAN - this is simply not on your RR yet and there are no provisions for it. The only ECU's you have in common with a post 06 are the BCU and LCM and non critical items such as the FBH if fitted (IIRC, as stated above). All that said, anything can be done with enough time and money and maybe Colin will be able to give you a better solution, but I believe it might be easier to purchase a totaled 06 or later RR and swap everything including motor and transmission to your body. And then we get back to the economics of a swap like this...

As long as Colin hasn't answered, check the Blackbox site. Under 'Downloads' there is some very good info on the various busses, ECU's etc.

If I were to have to try something like this, I'd probably stick with the original electronics and adapt the switches/etc. I'd especially leave all original SRS/airbag items in place - which of course creates huge problems with the dashboard/glovebox, doorcards, etc as there are no provisions for releasing the original airbags in the later bits...

That's a bit of a problem, tho.

In the P38, the crush cans behind the bumper made mounting a winch a complicated affair with sliding brackets, etc. If the winch were to be mounted solidly in front of the bumper, it would throw the airbag release timing off due to the crush cans being deleted. It's that accurate. So there is no way to use the original airbag ecu, even assuming you could adapt it to ignite the seat bags. Release timing would be way off. And the airbag ecu is on the HS CAN. I thought you were going to try to add the terrain response ecu too - did read that you said it may not work.

What's Colin saying to all this - quite curious? 
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I stopped reading at the 2nd paragraph and I'm a time served engineer!

Seriously- I wouldn't bother. Get an 07 car thats been built not bodged. You'll never sell it either. Airbags are going to be part of the MOT soon as well, so I'm guessing (and I'll stand corrected due to lack of knowledge) that newer, retrofitted seats with airbags in them will be subject to an engineers report pre MOT.

Having worked on CANBUS systems on multi-million pound materials handling systems, all I can say is best of luck! 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

Matt,
Have you discussed how you will be able to interface with the new modules in the old car with Blackbox?

It might be tricky because your active Faultmate System will only have the modules from the old car working. When I replaced the Mk3 Satnav in mine with a Mk4,I could no longer read it with Faultmate. I'd guess you'll have similar issues with loads of modules and might even create hybrid systems that Faultmate won't recognise?

Even that part of the exercise could be expensive if you have to buy two separate single vehicle licences for your Faultmate.

Good luck though!