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DrRob

Member Since: 16 Apr 2015
Location: Petersfield, Hampshire
Posts: 4218

2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

mazza7282 wrote:
Dr Rob you know there off to YRM
This was your idea

Excellent news! Sorry, I wasn't sure if you were going to do it or not. Brilliant news! A lot of L322 owners will thank you if YRM start making them

2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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27th May 2020 8:09am

DrRob

Member Since: 16 Apr 2015
Location: Petersfield, Hampshire
Posts: 4218

Did you find a bodyshop in the end to cut it all out? 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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27th May 2020 8:10am

rr4tq

Member Since: 03 Jul 2019
Location: California
Posts: 7

I just discovered the same issue with my 03...on both sides so I am very interested to see how you tackle this. Even if you can get new panels made, what about all the rusted parts behind the sill?

12th Jun 2020 9:23pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

DrRob wrote:
Did you find a bodyshop in the end to cut it all out?

Yea, the pictures are all on the second page of this thread, some of it has been left on as they didn't want to cut out too much, they will worry about the finer details later on.

12th Jun 2020 11:44pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

rr4tq wrote:
I just discovered the same issue with my 03...on both sides so I am very interested to see how you tackle this. Even if you can get new panels made, what about all the rusted parts behind the sill?

That is a very good question.........some of it is surface rust, some will need chopping out and replacing with made up sections.
But there is an update, so i'll be posting after this one.

12th Jun 2020 11:49pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

So a little update for where we are.
I've had some good email exchanges with YRM (Ronnie) and a few phone calls, they are able to make the sill panels for me .... YAY

But making the arch section isnt going to be in the best interest of both parties. The tooling would be very expensive to create for the manufacturer, and make the part very expensive to myself.

I have been looking high and low in the mean time (mainly on ebay) and contacting breakers/spares or repairs L322 and not having much luck as most of the panels and arches were shot.

I was able to find an near rear wheel arch finally on ebay, but this second hand part was going for almost £80 for the pressed arch section only, I had decided not to purchase it as the seller didnt have the other side.

I said to Ronnie in an e-mail this morning let me think about it to see what else i could find.
This afternoon I was able find a late model L322 TDV8 where the engine has blown up only 20 minutes away from where I am, so I shot off to take a look.
I turned up and said I want the relevant sections cut out, I went back a few hours later and there they were waiting for me.
There was infact another L322 that they had, someone had already beaten me to it on the sills and arches, luckily there was another there and I was able to nab those. From £300, the deal was done at £250 as I knew I wasnt going to find these again in as good condition in my local area

There is some surface rust toward the underside of the panels but the rest of them are in great condition in comparison.

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The whole sections obviously wont be fitted to the car as the breaker cut out right up to the rear door latch, but as it includes the inner panels as well, i'll have a chat with my garage to see what is best regarding re fitment, then it'll be off to the bodyshop for some paint. Ill get a few dings and items painted whilst i'm there (depending on cost)

I will contact Ronnie tomorrow to state that I have managed to find these sills and arch panels and see what he can do about stocking these on their web site or contact methods etc. He has all my measurements and profile heights for the rear sill panels.
As mentioned earlier on, they are unable to fabricate the pressed arch panels due to cost.

This is just one of many pictures and measurements that was sent to YRM, so you know what would be manufacturered.

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Hopefully this will start off a manufacturing process for the rear sill panels for an L322

13th Jun 2020 12:41am

rr4tq

Member Since: 03 Jul 2019
Location: California
Posts: 7

Curious why you didn't consider cutting a larger piece from the donor vehicle? I see you had rust bubble at the rear towards the bumper. It's sort of funny but I think we are rust twins...our issues look identical.

13th Jun 2020 1:10am

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

But I did ??? - I dont need all that section, hence why I asked to for more than I needed.
Ive got more cut than I needed and everything else is superficial and can be repaired.

I think most of these early range rovers are twins in that department lol, as most RR “spares or repairs” on ebay told me the sills were way past it, my car would fall into that category.

I remember when I owned classics, I always bought the ones where all the rust on the sills and chasis had been dealt with my the preious owner.
Cant complain though, cheap buy, didnt take long to get it running from a non runner inc the intermitent ignition switch, just the body work now to make it look pretty.

Ive looked at my WJ 4.7 grand cherokee ive got and the sills dont even need a bit of treatment, there in gr8 condition and its 3 years older (tho I have had it 10 years mind and i do take exceptionally good care after it, especially after a bit of green laning)

13th Jun 2020 7:51am

DrRob

Member Since: 16 Apr 2015
Location: Petersfield, Hampshire
Posts: 4218

Good progress 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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13th Jun 2020 8:22am

GraemeJudge

Member Since: 10 Feb 2018
Location: Fareham
Posts: 50

mazza7282 wrote:

I will contact Ronnie tomorrow to state that I have managed to find these sills and arch panels and see what he can do about stocking these on their web site or contact methods etc. He has all my measurements and profile heights for the rear sill panels.
As mentioned earlier on, they are unable to fabricate the pressed arch panels due to cost.

This is just one of many pictures and measurements that was sent to YRM, so you know what would be manufacturered.

Click image to enlarge

Hopefully this will start off a manufacturing process for the rear sill panels for an L322

Nice to hear you have a solution for yours but i hope that they still do start to make the sills as I am very interested in some look for your update when you let them know cheers.

14th Jun 2020 9:43pm

rr4tq

Member Since: 03 Jul 2019
Location: California
Posts: 7

mazza7282 wrote:
But I did ??? - I dont need all that section, hence why I asked to for more than I needed.
Ive got more cut than I needed and everything else is superficial and can be repaired.

I think most of these early range rovers are twins in that department lol, as most RR “spares or repairs” on ebay told me the sills were way past it, my car would fall into that category.

I remember when I owned classics, I always bought the ones where all the rust on the sills and chasis had been dealt with my the preious owner.
Cant complain though, cheap buy, didnt take long to get it running from a non runner inc the intermitent ignition switch, just the body work now to make it look pretty.

Ive looked at my WJ 4.7 grand cherokee ive got and the sills dont even need a bit of treatment, there in gr8 condition and its 3 years older (tho I have had it 10 years mind and i do take exceptionally good care after it, especially after a bit of green laning)

It really shocked me when I discovered the amount of corrosion existed on the L322, I mean, it is a modern Land Rover and not THAT old. Anyway, I am looking forward to see the results of your repair. By the way, how does your rear subframe/suspension bits look in terms of rust? Mine has some surface rust from what I can see but I wonder what I'll find if I look hard...?

24th Jun 2020 7:33pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

Right, little update...the welding is done !!

I wont mention how much the bill was but it was more than I was expecting, 2 days labour and they didnt charge me their welding rate, otherwise it would have been a heck of a lot more. The reason for the additional cost is because they had to unpick at the seams the bits of the panel they wanted to use for the repair.

I'll let the pictures do the talking but i'm happy with the work, just needed to do a quick hoover of the inside but aside from that .

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And what was left from the bits I gave them (if anyone wants wants left give me a shout - both sides lol)

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Its booked in at the bodyshop next week for the rest, price agreed and a mop of the whole car so should shave 10 years off the old girl I hope !!

I have spent 3 hours a night the past 2 nights scraping off as much surface rust as I can from the underside of the vehicle (front to back). It wasn't pretty, thank the lord for goggles and comma black underseal.

Makes me think if this was done at 100.000 or with some other non coloured special oils via a land rover service bulletin a lot of L322's out there would be in much better condition than they are at the moment

Results below

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They also re-added the strengthening metal/welding to allow the car to be lifted from the rear again via the sill grommets (still think ill only ever trust lifting it via door open, with the wheels on on those even the front ones).

If it gets lifted with the wheels off and the door open, ill be jacking it on the leg braces etc[/list]

25th Jun 2020 5:28pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

rr4tq wrote:
mazza7282 wrote:
But I did ??? - I dont need all that section, hence why I asked to for more than I needed.
Ive got more cut than I needed and everything else is superficial and can be repaired.

I think most of these early range rovers are twins in that department lol, as most RR “spares or repairs” on ebay told me the sills were way past it, my car would fall into that category.

I remember when I owned classics, I always bought the ones where all the rust on the sills and chasis had been dealt with my the preious owner.
Cant complain though, cheap buy, didnt take long to get it running from a non runner inc the intermitent ignition switch, just the body work now to make it look pretty.

Ive looked at my WJ 4.7 grand cherokee ive got and the sills dont even need a bit of treatment, there in gr8 condition and its 3 years older (tho I have had it 10 years mind and i do take exceptionally good care after it, especially after a bit of green laning)

It really shocked me when I discovered the amount of corrosion existed on the L322, I mean, it is a modern Land Rover and not THAT old. Anyway, I am looking forward to see the results of your repair. By the way, how does your rear subframe/suspension bits look in terms of rust? Mine has some surface rust from what I can see but I wonder what I'll find if I look hard...?

Rear subframe and suspension bits.........in a word not good. Don't look !! - you'll feel much better for it.
As much scraping off as I could be bothered to do, and that was a lot !!

Interesting you mention that, as i've posted an update about that area too (above this reply)

25th Jun 2020 6:00pm

rr4tq

Member Since: 03 Jul 2019
Location: California
Posts: 7

I may have an opportunity to purchase a dead but complete L322 with zero rust for VERY cheap. It would be a good donor vehicle for me to cut the panels and maybe even swap the entire rear subframe over...gives me a headache just thinking about it though...

25th Jun 2020 11:04pm

mazza7282

Member Since: 10 May 2020
Location: Essex
Posts: 99

Hey guys

Got the old girl back last week, and I have to say I am one happy man.
Great workmanship via the welders at my local MOT shop, and the paint and body for the bits that we discussed after the welding was done.

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves again (Forgot to get a picture before the sill covers went back on and I can't be asked to take them off again but you saw the just of what was done after the new sills were welded in) just needed a bit of sanding/primer/paint/lacquer. All paint work that was done, occured in a booth.

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Its unfortunate I wasn't able to get any sills made up in the end, I really had hoped that my measurements would have worked out as a blueprint for others for a box section for the inner/outer sills, but then it wasn't meant to be.
It could have easily have wrote off the vehicle if it didn't pass its next MOT and instead of it being what it is now, I would have had to have broke it.

Same place I was able to get the sills from, I got myself a new steering wheel for £50 that looks brand new after a clean up
*Fitted after negative lead left off for 20 mins, no power to the car.

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Shes come a long way since dragging it back on a trailer I rented

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18th Jul 2020 10:21pm

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