AJGalaxy2012 wrote:

number of cylinders does count considerably in my book, a 4 pot in a Rangie simply isnt right.

Two week cooling off period expired. Guys, drive the P400e ‘in the real world’ and then make judgements about this drivetrain vs a 5.0 SC. I did a Cotswolds blast last week and it was simply perfect. Crap fuel economy (vs a diesel, I am certain better than a 5.0)! But great performance and experience. And point of fact: on the very rare occasions you boot it to 4000+ rpm and can actually hear the engine, the 1700w Signature hifi hides all. 5.0 SC is a redundant drivetrain, long live the 4 pot!

Hopefully moderators will close this thread now so I’ve had the last word.  L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

I’m now driving a new P300 Defender after owning an SDV8 L405 for a couple of years. I have to say that I find the 2.0 litre 4 cylinder engine remarkably refined. It wafts around like my RR and I find it a very relaxing car to drive. This is also after having a brief ownership of an SVR F-Pace. Yes, it doesn’t have the grunt of the SDV8 but in day to day driving it’s not an issue for me. 2019 L405 SDV8 Autobiography
2023 Defender P400e HSE X-dynamic - gone
2020 Defender P300 SE - gone

2019 Jaguar F-Pace SVR - gone
2013 SDV8 Autobiography - gone
2011 L322 TDV8 Vogue SE - gone
2006 L322 3.6 Vogue Se - gone
1999 P38 4.0 se - gone
199? Classic 3.5 - gone

I’m interested in trying the 400bhp petrol in the Defender when it’s available - 0-60 in 5.7 seconds that’s FFRR Supercharged territory 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

I traded my SVA in for a P400 X Defender as I got stung for depreciation when I traded my L322 in too late back when the L405 was announced and vowed never to do that again. I got a great part exchange figure and whilst the Defender is almost £50k cheaper @ £90k, it is seriously impressive. Refinement is in line with my SVA, build quality is significantly better and the vehicle is much more spacious.

I do not miss the 5L at all; the 3L MHEV has instantaneous performance and is truly excellent.

Bill wrote:

CUE99T wrote:

Bill wrote:

Been keeping my eye on the Ford , taking orders now BUT you can’t see one . Lump of a car 390 mile range . Mustang.

My mate is fairly well connected in Ford, let me ask if theres anyway to see one....

Yes thanks; the dealer was well up to a JLR stealership, couldn’t care less....

AB thats really interesting.....as I love the Defender....but didnt think it would have a patch on a L405.....did you have to order the 400 X ....is it ltd numbers?

Paul all smug in my new plug!

2021 Westminster Black D300
2013 Vogue SE - gone
Some Porsche Cayenne guff pretending to be a 4x4!!
2006 Vogue
2004 Vogue
2001 Vogue

I ordered it as soon as Defender was announced and waited 11 months for delivery as they didn’t start building the 110 X until September.

I don’t think it’s limited as such but the price will likely put off most Defender owners as it’s well and truly in RR/RRS when fully loaded.

We are truly impressed - the only thing I miss is massage seats which sadly aren’t available.

I cannot stress enough that the car is so much more solid feeling than the L405. So far it’s also absent of creaks and rattles and stupid electrical gremlins which totally detracted from the 2 SVAs I owned.

I remember your SVA-D post back in July 18 and thinking what a fantastic looking car.
Very interesting real world opinion of your new Defender 2016MY TDV6 Autobiography
2011MY 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography Black - Gone
2005 TD6 Vogue - Gone

I’ve got a P300 Defender 90 on order and I’ll be running it alongside my SDV8 FF. I’m really interested to see which vehicle I end up preferring from a driving point of view. I test drove a D240 Defender 110 and I did think that when I got into my FF after the test drive the Range Rover was still on another level in terms of luxury feel and cabin refinement, but in terms of driving experience I have a feeling the Defender will be better once I get some miles on my one. Tom

2013 Causeway Grey 4.4 AB
2017 Ford Ranger 3.2 Limited
2016 Ford Focus RS

Autobiography wrote:

I ordered it as soon as Defender was announced and waited 11 months for delivery as they didn’t start building the 110 X until September.

I don’t think it’s limited as such but the price will likely put off most Defender owners as it’s well and truly in RR/RRS when fully loaded.

We are truly impressed - the only thing I miss is massage seats which sadly aren’t available.

I cannot stress enough that the car is so much more solid feeling than the L405. So far it’s also absent of creaks and rattles and stupid electrical gremlins which totally detracted from the 2 SVAs I owned.

There is no lag which I’m guessing is due to the engine being a MHEV and the electric motor kicking in/assisting it.

Official stats are 0-62 in circa 6 seconds but it feels quick and sounds good too.

I wouldn’t say it’s particularly agile round the bends; definitely more roll than the SVA but consequently is much smoother on uneven roads with a softer suspension setup.

What is it like from 30 to 70 as that is the only time brutal acceleration is important. letters not necessarily in the right order

I do like the new Defender, and this is an interesting thread. I can see why you’d move from FF to one. Yet to see one here in the flesh

I love the idea of 90 spec’d up to the hilt, kinda reminds me of a late 3-door classic.

When the Defender so good, sort of makes the Disco a little irrelevant? IMO. 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster - Baltic Blue, Jet interior
1997 P38 2.5 DSE auto & 1998 P38 2.5 DT Manual
1988 Vogue 3.5 EFI - Manual, gone.
2004 Volvo C70 2.0T convertible, had since new.
2007 Mazda MX-5 2.0 Sport Roadster/Coupé, had since new.
2024 Mini Cooper S cabrio, JCW kit, 2.0, DCT auto

The new defender looks very big in the flesh next to an RR but I'm not so sure I'd get as much isnide it tho....any thoughts for capacity boot space etc AB?

P all smug in my new plug!

2021 Westminster Black D300
2013 Vogue SE - gone
Some Porsche Cayenne guff pretending to be a 4x4!!
2006 Vogue
2004 Vogue
2001 Vogue