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KurtVerbose



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2018 PHEV

Surprised no one has posted this: -

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...ed-testing

2 litre 4 cyclinder ingenium petrol engine (the one that's just gone in the F-Type). 295bhp and 295lb ft.

Electric motor. 201bhp and 332lb ft

The petrol engine makes it's maximum torque at 1500 rpm and the electric motor at 0 rpm. It total it's +80lb ft more than the SDV8 and at lower rpm and with a lot more bhp.

My guess is it'll weigh about the same as the SDV8 even with the electric motor and battery pack.

My only issues are: -

1. How lacking in torque will it be when the battery's empty.

2. 4 cyclinder thrum in a luzury car.

3. What will fuel consumption be like on a long trip when you're just using a petrol motor.

4. Why isn't there a 6 cylinder 3 litre petrol with 500 bhp + the 200 bhp electric motor for something more bonkers?

Post #447138 8th Aug 2017 9:03pm
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Eirik34



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I think that this PHEV will be a very valuable addition to the current engine options.
In Norway such PHEV cars - with >= 50km pure electric range - are taxed much much lower than diesel and petrol cars. Due to that, I expect that this PHEV model will be very popular! The current sales of Cayenne S E-Hybrid, X5 XDrive40e, XC90 T8 is very high here locally due to the mild taxation for these cars.

I'm looking forward to this L405 PHEV 2018 model!

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gonna_go_double_r



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Anyone here got the V6 Hybrid? That's been out for a while, what's it like?

. now: gone_double_r | 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 | Stornaway | Lovin' it

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Red Merle



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Surprisingly, very few of them were sold and it was very quietly dropped from production only very recently. 

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ACR_de



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We had an early Cayenne Hybrid for about a year. The battery lasted for only 2-3 km in full electric mode. Fuel consumption was around 8 l in the city which was good. However on the autobahn the car was very thirsty with more than 19 l/100 km. Thus a diesel seems the better choice for long-term driving. The newer hybrids like the X5 and perhapsthe new Rangie seem to have better electric range, but the problem of long-term travel with an empty battery and the additonal weight for the batteries lasts. In Norway I would also buy the hybrid as they are so much cheaper there than in germany and you have strict speed limits over there.

I have preordered a 2018 FFR with V8 petrol engine and hope to be able to enjoy this engine als long as such cars are still available. Yet I have no confirmation if the V8 will last in the 2018 model as new 6-cylinder Ingenium engines are rumored to come. As JLR have announced a new XJ with the V8 a few days ago it seems unlikeyl that they will skip the V8 in the FFR now, at least for the SV dynamic which came on sale onyl a few months ago.


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mzplcg



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gonna_go_double_r wrote:
Anyone here got the V6 Hybrid? That's been out for a while, what's it like?.


I came within a whisker of buying one earlier this year. Very civilised but pure electric range limited to less than one mile. Hugely expensive for what it is. Good MPG, I averaged over 50. Limited production, requires specially trained mechanics to work on it. Overall one to avoid IMHO

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Red Merle



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When I asked after a new one at my dealer's, he instantly pointed me in the direction of a conventional Diesel!

I've just checked the LR used car site and out of the 350 used <3 year old FF's available (the period of time that the hybrid has been available), there are only 9 hybrids currently available Shocked Little wonder that it was quietly dropped... 

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Basilfawlty



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Only 9 SC's using the same methodology Thumbs Up

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mzplcg



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They were a trial and the vast majority were given to LR Managers to begin with, hence the S/H ones available. They were dropped because something new is on the way. The Tesla guys have been at Gaydon for some time now but that's all the info I can glean.

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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The V6 Hybrid uses an electric motor instead of a torque converter therefore the 3.0 hybrid has more torque than an SDV8 version of the 405... Thumbs Up

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Rambles



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Good to see you posting Craig

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Trommel



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Friend of mine has had an SDV6 Hybrid L405 for a couple of years - bought instead of an SDV8 only for Belgian tax reasons. Does a lot of miles in it and I don't think he's had any major issues.

Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
The V6 Hybrid uses an electric motor instead of a torque converter therefore the 3.0 hybrid has more torque than an SDV8 version of the 405... Thumbs Up


SDV6 Hybrid has less torque than the SDV8 - 700 Nm vs 740 Nm.

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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And is 200kg lighter so has more Torque per tonne sir Whistle Whistle Whistle

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Trommel



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No.

The most recent figures I can find (in comparable standard-wheelbase, Autobiography trim) list the Hybrid at 2453 kg and the SDV8 at 2456 kg, so 275 Nm/tonne for the Hybrid vs 301 Nm/tonne for the SDV8.

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Eirik34



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The positive things with the new 2018 PHEV model are:

    - Much lower taxation in some countries (Norway, Belgia?, ..) - this is at least most important for me
    - Ability to drive pure electric 50 km, and as such allowed to enter an increasingly number of city centres that only will allow zero emission vehicles into the centres
    - Regeneration of breaking energy and charging during downhill
    - Lots of torque from low rpm


One thing that would have been perfect, was if one could have used the li-ion batteries as emergency power source if/when the 12V battery were flat - I assuume that the 405 isn't any better than the L322 when it comes to power consumption....

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