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grey17



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Cabin noise 4.4 TDV8

Hi all.

I'm a current RR Sport TDV8 owner looking to move to an L322 and have looked at a few 4.4 TDV8 L322 now and and feeling underwhelmed by them.
Of the 4 I've test driven now, they all seem to have quite a bit of engine noise coming through to the cabin and not the hushed driving experience I've been led to believe they have.
The last one, the youngest and least mileage of the lot had what sounded like an air leak coming from the drivers footwell area like there was some sound proofing missing, like a constant hiss.

The boot space, between the wheel arches is not as wide as the RR Sport which is disappointing as I use it for work and my kit fits perfectly across the L320 load area.

I'm not sure whether they've all been fuelled with cheap supermarket Diesel but they all sound rough and its putting me off.

Also, the 8 speed gearboxes I've been told shift so smoothly that the gear changes are almost imperceptible? That also seems far from the case unless I've driven 4 poorly maintained examples despite their full service and 1 owner histories.

Help!

Post #517868 9th Jun 2019 10:45am
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GGDR



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

8 speed has disappointed me TBH.

Noise-wise mine has a bit of an annoying drone but not that I noticed in the first 6 months. I think I just acclimatised to the cabin and then started to notice.

If you've driven four then you've given it a good go!

. Cheers, Greg
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Post #517874 9th Jun 2019 11:09am
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Bradders



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Zermatt Silver

When test driving 4.4TDV8s my experience was similar. Two drove like tractors compared to my 3.6 TDV8 Sport but the one I finally bought confirmed the 8 speed box is a peach and the cabin is a place of hushed comfort until you give it the beans and it sounds better than my old 4.2SC Sport.

Keep looking Thumbs Up Current: FF Westminster money pit

Gone:
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RRS 3.6 TDV8
FL2 TD4

Post #517876 9th Jun 2019 11:43am
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grey17



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Thanks guys. I'm going to give it another week or so and see what happens.

Tbh, I'm still quite shocked after the test drives and I'm looking at my Sport in a new light, after all, I'll be potentially spending another £10k+ and seemingly for what?

Oddly, the best one was a 5 owner Westminster and was the only one that smelt of leather inside, it was just the number of owners that put me off. That one has since been sold.

I did drive a 3.6 a couple of years ago so I might start looking in that direction as well as I remembered that one being very good.

You also got a better V8 rumble from the 3.6 than the 4.4 although I'm not sure why that should be.

Onwards!

Post #517889 9th Jun 2019 3:03pm
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nicksaab



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Personally I wouldn't be too bothered by the number of owners, its easy enough to rack it up quite quickly on premium cars - its not uncommon for Ferraris and Porsche's to have large numbers of owners - it doesn't necessarily mean its a problem car (a 3 year old Fiesta with 4 owners I would be asking questions!)

Think about it - demo for 6 months, or Landrover management car - new owner for a year, maybe 18 months. Another owner for 18months - 2 years each, non franchise dealer taking as trade in at 4 years old - then uses it as his run around for 6 months etc - given the youngest Westminster being 2012 so 7 years old now it could well have had a few. Also some owners buy premium cars and then decide they are too big, don't get used etc. My 2012 had had 4 owners when I bought it last January - service history was impeccable and car well looked after. Buy on condition!

As for the drone, they have been issues with window and door seals, windscreen trim on A pillar, roof rails pop out of the gutter and the wing mirrors had a service bulletin on them, so could be any number of issues - mine had a drone which I fixed by refitting the A pillar clips which had come loose. If its any consoloation my 2004 had a drone for about 10 months which I finally traced to the plastic trim on the lower passenger front wing. Current Fleet:-
2016 RR 4.4 SDV8 Vogue SE
2012 RR 4.4 TDV8 Westminster
2004 RR 4.4 V8 Autobiography LE

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mjdronfield



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Mine is always better when it’s had a decent run.

Might be a red herring, but I imagine those at dealers might not have been run for a bit or just shunted round.....

Obviously not the cause of all the issues you have found....

Thumbs Up 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Post #517995 10th Jun 2019 7:49pm
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grey17



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[quote="nicksaab"]Personally I wouldn't be too bothered by the number of owners, its easy enough to rack it up quite quickly on premium cars

Hi Nicksaab.

Thanks for the info and very useful on the rattles and drones. The 5 owner car had its service book stamped with main dealer and specialist but no other paperwork for any work that had been done so I had no real idea if any serious cash had been spent on the usual problem areas.

By contrast, a couple that I'd made telephone enquires about had extensive documentation and detailed virtually every penny spent and they had both had some fairly major work.

The 62 plate mentioned with the least mileage just sounded plain harsh inside with a high pitched vibration or hiss. I might give them a call to see if there is anything obviously loose but I didn't want to take a £17.5k chance that it'll turn out to be nothing, or at least, something easily remedied.

I've got more to look at and will probably now include the 3.6 as well so lets see.

Cheers.

G

Post #518037 11th Jun 2019 9:48am
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grey17



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[quote="mjdronfield"]Mine is always better when it’s had a decent run.

Might be a red herring, but I imagine those at dealers might not have been run for a bit or just shunted round.....

Obviously not the cause of all the issues you have found....


Hi mjdronfield.

It could be indeed a red herring but one had a constant rough vibration coming through the floor; prop shaft, gearbox, driveline but not a wheel out of balance. The dealer came out with me on the test drive and said he couldn't hear or feel anything which is the classic response! My 2009 RRS TDV8 felt like a Rolls Royce after that.

The one with the high pitched vibration or hiss might have been running on supermarket diesel which might account for it but it was something new that I'd not heard on one of these and I was surprised at just how intrusive and "un RR like" it was.

Back to the drawing board.

G

Post #518038 11th Jun 2019 9:54am
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8810bigcat



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I went through the same process very recently, drove a couple of 4.4s and ended up picking up a late 59 plate 3.6 which was 4 owners. I was concerned about number owners but last keeper was 5 years and had receipts as well as service book, it drove really well and the interior was close to mint. Given the 3.6 was £2-3k cheaper than any of the 4.4s I'd considered I took the plunge and 3 weeks in am cautiously happy! The additional couple of grand might come in handy with keeping her operational at some point.

The 4.4s with that 8 speed box did seem to be cycling through the gears constantly around town and as a bit of a traditionalist I do prefer the stick shifter as opposed to that dial!

Hope you get a good one.

Post #518067 11th Jun 2019 4:23pm
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dolph34



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Ireland 2015 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Corris Grey

Just my own personal experience after almost two years in a 4.4 tdv8 after 2 years in a 3.6. The 3.6 was lovely and i would have another in a heartbeat BUT the 4.4 is much more refined on motorway journeys thanks to the 8 speed box and is not even turning over at 1500 revs at motorway speed which is a big contrast to the 3.6. The digital clocks on the 4.4 are also a huge improvement over the 3.6 and give the L322 a much more upto date look. I have never noticed the 8 speed box re changing gears ( its so silky you wouldn't know it had changed gears except for the rev counter) so I'm very surprised to hear people mention that as an issue. The adaptive suspension was quite noticable and made cornering briskly a bit more confidence inspiring.

Again , i really loved my 3.6 and only changed due to mileage.

All of the above is my humble opinion based on my 4.4 VSE which now has 140k miles on it. 2015 4.4 AB
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Post #518079 11th Jun 2019 5:45pm
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grey17



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I went through the same process very recently, drove a couple of 4.4s and ended up picking up a late 59 plate 3.6........

Hi 8810bigcat.

Late plate 3.6's are definitely now on my radar and will have a look a a few. The price difference is staggering compared to what I have been bracing myself for and certainly the ones I've looked at I'd be about 4.5 - 5k more expensive and I'm really wondering if the other engine (4.4) and gearbox is really worth the difference?

I'll keep you posted!

G

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drakes



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

grey17

I did exactly the same when looking and picked up a 2010 3.6 for £12k instead of buying a 2011 for around the £20k mark saving enough to buy an SLK280 for the summer 2010 3.6TDV8 Stornoway Grey/ Black interior
2005 4.4V8 (M62) Bonatti Grey/ Parchment interior - gone
1998 4.6HSE Blue/ Cream interior (can't remember exact colours) - gone
1977 White - gone (should have kept)

Post #518159 12th Jun 2019 11:39am
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grey17



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Hi Drakes.

Ah, you guys are turning my head and I'm looking at more late 3.6 now!

dolph34

I agree that the motorway cruise and low rpm would be great thing but, I'd really need to see a 4.4 at a good price.
The 3.6 I've been looking at are the facelifted versions so 10 plate cars.

What do you get mpg wise on a run with your 4.4 out of curiosity?

Thanks.


G

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GGDR



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Quote:
I did exactly the same when looking and picked up a 2010 3.6 for £12k instead of buying a 2011 for around the £20k mark saving enough to buy an SLK280 for the summer


You can get a reasonable 4.4 for 12k - it'll be 100k miles give or take.
£20k at this moment is top top end, very low miles one owner, autobiography spec etc.

. Cheers, Greg
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Just letting you guys know I've CHANGED MY USERNAME
from: gonna_go_double_r to: GGDR
The old one was a mouthful!
2011 Vogue SE 4.4 with lots of toys in Stornaway

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drakes



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

I am going back nearly a year now so prices have changed a bit but the differential is still there and I was looking at sub 70k miles 2010 3.6TDV8 Stornoway Grey/ Black interior
2005 4.4V8 (M62) Bonatti Grey/ Parchment interior - gone
1998 4.6HSE Blue/ Cream interior (can't remember exact colours) - gone
1977 White - gone (should have kept)

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