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Ffrr-lover



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

I was wondering about it learning driving style like the gearbox does (drive like you stole it and it holds the gears etc).

If that isn’t a thing… then are the accelerometers getting sticky? I’d love to see their values via an IIDTool as we drive, but believe that aren’t visible for some reason.

Another thought is with the height sensors. They have separate wires that are used by the CVD systems. Could the sensors partially fail on these l322s? The l405s don’t use the 2nd set of wires (I believe) and I’ve not read anything similar to our issues for that model? Currently driving: 2012 L322 SE Overfinch 4.4 tdv8

Past rides:
2014 Audi Q7 3.0d (good riddance)
2010 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged
2011 L320 HSE 3.0 sdv6
2014 Jaguar XF-RS 5.0 supercharged
2007 BMW 535D
2005 Mini Cooper S

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Post #630727 5th May 2022 7:38pm
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mjdronfield



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I recon you could use the 4x4 info screen to keep an eye on the height sensor readings…. At least roughly anyway….

I too wonder about the accelerometers sticking or something but as I posted on the last page, there seems to be conflicting info about how many and where they are.

I’m wondering if the solenoids on the shockers stick, but can’t figure out why that would affect all the car……

Don’t know enough about how it all works really….

Do you recon one on the terrain response settings would force the CVD’s to a specific setting?

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Anybody used the adaptive dynamics reset function in the GAP IID tool? 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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MarianaWestminster



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Seems like it won't go back to a softer ride now.

Am I headed for another conversion to non CVD 🤔

Post #630793 6th May 2022 3:50pm
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Jayk69



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Has anybody inspected the front shocks?
i mean take them both off and remove the airbags to ensure they are fully functional?
i had same issue with rear of mine and to be honest the whole car felt firm, it was just a particular corner in the town i live in made the rear skip that led me to the rear, and sure enough rear shock was knackered. Replaced it and all good in the world.
I think if you have verified the rears are good, then you really need to inspect the fronts, if it were me i would remove and check them both on the bench.

I know Sam said his looked like they were replaced in 2017 but they could be second hand units unless there is evidence to say otherwise.

anyway just my 2 cent worth Thumbs Up 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

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Ffrr-lover



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

I’ve replaced my rears so have new genuine struts.

My harsh ride is both front and back, so for me the harshness isn’t worn front struts, and seems to be something stiffening the ride.

MarianaWestminster, I hope you don’t end up defeated and going down the non-CVD replacement route again. Partly because these SHOULD be the best of both worlds, and partly so you can find the fix that works for all of us Whistle

JayGee, I’ve reset the adaptive dynamics a few times. Tried it driving on good roads, rough roads and even when stationary… and not seen any change afterwards. Currently driving: 2012 L322 SE Overfinch 4.4 tdv8

Past rides:
2014 Audi Q7 3.0d (good riddance)
2010 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged
2011 L320 HSE 3.0 sdv6
2014 Jaguar XF-RS 5.0 supercharged
2007 BMW 535D
2005 Mini Cooper S

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Post #630818 6th May 2022 8:41pm
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GraemeS



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MarianaWestminster wrote:
Even more interesting.

After approx 60 comfortable miles it's gone solid again.

I was late so driving a bit more aggressively than usual.
Overall it sounds as though an accelerometer is giving false signals, either moving in its mount or is faulty. If none loose then a test jig could be made to compare each accelerometer's output, otherwise purchase 1 new accelerometer then swap it about to see if the problem is cured anywhere. The one in the spare wheel well is readily accessible so would be the first one to replace with a new one.

Post #630850 6th May 2022 11:38pm
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coopss



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Responded to a couple of threads on this topic.

I had the same issue - replace the wiring, reset via IID, inspected by 2 specialists, replaced rear dampers, nothing made a difference.

What fixed it was a new front damper. Although they don’t leak, my only rationale was that the solenoids stick so no matter what the ecu said, it didn’t do anything. Maybe it confused the whole system, no idea, but it fixed it 1995 4.6 v8, green/tan (long gone)
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Jayk69



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Barolo Black

Ffrr-lover wrote:
I’ve replaced my rears so have new genuine struts.

My harsh ride is both front and back, so for me the harshness isn’t worn front struts, and seems to be something stiffening the ride.

MarianaWestminster, I hope you don’t end up defeated and going down the non-CVD replacement route again. Partly because these SHOULD be the best of both worlds, and partly so you can find the fix that works for all of us Whistle

JayGee, I’ve reset the adaptive dynamics a few times. Tried it driving on good roads, rough roads and even when stationary… and not seen any change afterwards.


so you have not inspected the fronts and they could still be the issue? whilst i appreciate the harshness feels like it is from both the rear and front if you have a knackered front it will throw off the rest of the system. suspension is weird and a problem from the front can seem to come from the rear and vise versa. without inspection you are just guessing. Personally i dont spend money or make decisions with guesses where ever possible. 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

Post #631042 9th May 2022 8:41am
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MarianaWestminster



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Okay so it seems my one is on and off, sometimes it hard sometimes it's what I would describe as 'acceptable'


I feel both the faulty accelerometer and faulty shock suggestions are both valid and it could be either or.

What we need to do is establish a way to look at feedback from both accelerometers and the shocks in order to determine if there is a failed part.

I'm sure I read earlier in the thread that IID can't do this but SDD can. I have SDD but it's on an old laptop with a dead battery so I can't be of much use right now until I get a new one for it.

Post #631067 9th May 2022 12:05pm
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Ffrr-lover



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

I had discounted the fronts when I read an older post about the fronts being an issue but feels like the rear. The reasons for that (for me) is that if I drive over those smaller speed humps (normally yellow) the fronts feel hard, followed by the rears feeling hard too. My logic is simply if the fronts were a problem then the rears would feel fine in that situation.

I have planned to replace the fronts at some point as they have covered 120k… but that’s a “nice to have” purchase with plenty of more important things to spend money on first.

I contacted GAP about reading values via their IIDTool, but get a rather terse “we only show what LR provide”. Not much help.

I do wonder what the SDD tool offers if you managed to take a look… Currently driving: 2012 L322 SE Overfinch 4.4 tdv8

Past rides:
2014 Audi Q7 3.0d (good riddance)
2010 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged
2011 L320 HSE 3.0 sdv6
2014 Jaguar XF-RS 5.0 supercharged
2007 BMW 535D
2005 Mini Cooper S

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Post #631095 9th May 2022 6:12pm
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MarianaWestminster



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Something I feel is worth bearing in mind FFrr-lover is that there is a potential for 1 bad shock to throw out the whole system
meaning your new rears will be operating in a firmer mode too.

Having read the entire thread a few times I note that you have replaced your rear shocks and so did Coopss.

Coopss also didn't find any improvement having replaced his rear shock absorbers however he said replacing a bad front one fixed the issue with his car.

I am going to assume Coopss has now refitted the original rear shock absorbers as his new ones are currently in the for sale section.

I am now of the feeling we might all have a bad front shock throwing out the system.

My car could be a good candidate to test on as it has what appears to be original rear shocks, an original shock on the o/s front but a new ish Bilstein on the n/s front.

I am tempted to buy 1 new front shock and fit to the o/s leaving the original rears in place.

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Reidsr



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I am on the same assumption. 1 bad shock could off put all inputs to the shocks via the CVD system! For me it would be the first thing to do is change my shocks at the front, expensive and risky but when reading through this forum its pointing in that direction for sure. Its just a costly gamble hence the reason i haven't gone through with it as of yet! It defiantly feels as though a shock has become stuck and in turn puts all sorts of weird reading to the accelerometers.

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mjdronfield



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Yeeeeeah….. that looks to be where we are at. That or changing accelerometers just in case… before taking the plunge….

As has been said already… not cheap for front shocks and ought to be done in pairs….

I changed my rears for new Bilstein units, made no difference, but that was due to MOT rather than specific fault finding…

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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MartinD



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Scotland 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Santorini Black

Are the fronts more expensive than the rears? 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE - 'Black Betty'
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