I need to get a new car, logic tells me it has to be the new model, L460, but looking on Autotrader a 2021 L405 is about half the price of a 2022 L460 thats £50k v £100k don't get me wrong its not the affordability that bothers me but will I be getting VFM with an L460? Geoff

For me, the law of diminishing marginal utility applies. I could afford it but I couldn't justify it to myself.

Trouble is, it applies further down the food chain. So I find myself eyeing 2017/18 L405s because I can't justify 2019/20/21 to myself 😭 2016 Skoda Octavia VRS Estate
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Geoff, I'm currently driving around in a 2024 RR sport (hire car whilst my L405 is in the 'The shop'.)

The engine (3.0L inline 6 ingenium) is superb, v fast, has a nice burble. gearbox is sublime, v. smooth and the driving experience is very nice.

However ..........

I am so p@ssed off at the 'driver aids' - it resets to the highest level (lane assist/interference, speed warning etc) every time you switch off, which needs to be reset every time you set off. The central screen is a pain and requires 'eyes off the road' to navigate.

I, like you, was going to hold on to my faultless L322, waiting for the L460 to come down in price before changing, but having had a drive in the L460, I was underwhelmed. Prices seem to have gone up in recent months too, although a 2022 is c. £70-80k. My 2015/16 L405 AB has more toys, presence and capability than any FFRR I have had, at a quarter of the price of a L460. I know I made the right choice.

If one can get a recent (2020 onwards) 3.0L (ingenium) L405, I would rather have that.

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The Ingenium 3.0L was only available in the MY21.5 L405. Mine has more than enough aids for my liking but most can be permanently switched off or to a low level, although it took a Gap tool to avoid having to switch off stop-start every time. This was my only desired upgrade from my previous MY12 4.4TDV8 AB L322. L405 D350 SE Carpathian Grey D5 19" rims

I am now officially confused chat GPT seems to suggest that the D300 is a straight six and been in RR since 2020. I know the D350 was only available in later cars but is that the only straight six? Geoff

I bought a 2021 Range Rover fifty last year for the exact reasons that Geoff mentioned. Is the 460 twice as good, doubt it. Mine has every option apart from tow bar (never be used anyway)

Both the D300 and D350 were fitted to the L405 starting at the same time. They are just different tunes of the same engine. MY21.5 build began very late 2020. The iniital MY21 still had the 4.4 SDV8. L405 D350 SE Carpathian Grey D5 19" rims

I don’t have much warmth for the L460. Current car has more toys than I really need and some are just a pain - why have a powered armrest in the back seat for example, what is wrong with a nicely weighted hinge? The current car will likely be my last FFRR - not least because imminent retirement will mean loss of car allowance, aka subsidy to run a fatty! 2024 - >. 2021MY L405 5.0 SC Portofino Blue
2018 - 2024 2016MY L405 4.4 SDV8 VSE Aintree Green
2017 - 2018 2017MY Jaguar F Pace Portfolio 3.0 SDV6 BRG
2013 - 2017 2010MY L322 3.6TDV8 VSE Buckingham Blue
Various RR Sports and Freelanders before that!

not worth the money over a 405 in objective terms, lovely as they are, and having driven one at a LR day they are nice and the seats are definitely more comfortable than my 16MY, but objectively not worth £50,000 more for an upgrade to an early model.

I was looking at a late 21 plate 405 at xmas but decided against it in the end. £25k in a hole for no real good reason. it was a lovely looking 405 in blue with black bits and a D350, and at £45k was decent money but in the end the head won as it was effectively the same car I've already got but with a different screen, and a different (better?? engine)

As much as I would love to waste a load of cash on a 460 its not that much better of a tool than the 405, certainly not a late one with a D300/50.

Don't be too picky on the 300 v the 350 either, the 300 has plenty of poke. Ive got that in my D5 van and it goes like a stabbed rat (for a van).....  There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Before deciding it might be worth checking whether you can get insurance for a 460 at a realistic price, my existing insurers have consistently refused to quote for a 460, as have various other insurers. LR's captive insurers, Wrisk Transfer, would quote, but on a month by month basis and at an annual cost of about £3000, not attractive and with the risk that it is designed to get stock off the forecourt and after a while they refuse to continue or hike the premium leaving one stuck.

Beyond that if one has the same engine the main differences seem to me to be the four wheel steer and the pivi pro and the fact the controls are almost all through the screen. The 460 drives nicely, but not £50,000 or more better. And some of the parts one sees or touches all the time are, for me, poorer quality than the 405, eg steering wheel, switches on wheel, sun visors, and the everything through the screen is a hassle, eg raising and lowering suspension. If you use off road tyres the wheels that will take them are non-standard and would be a costly added purchase. Only Range Rovers since 1988

U see Geoff, it depends on the cash position.

If you have funds that you are unlikely to spend elsewhere, then a L460 is a must.

If you have better places for the money , eg the old people home’s dribble cup. Then of course keep the cash for a rainy day.

I moved from the 2016 to the 2022 L460 , I realised it was at least 50 k over the special deals being offered…. So the significant cost was disguised by the big change & therefore worth it ( man maths) .

Also age dependant …. Have you got time to buy the 405 & wait another five years for the L460?

Will the car give you pleasure ?
Only you can answer those questions …

TIME is my main motivator…


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He who dies with the most toys wins...

Thanks Bill, the cash isn’t a problem and I hear what you say, if I was to hoard the cash to leave to the kids good old Rachel Reeves may well help herself to 40%. If I buy a car hopefully when I pass away as a depreciating asset it will probably be worth nowt but I’ll enjoy it in the meantime, there’ll still be plenty of other cash for the kids and pay for my care home - sorry Rachel.

It’s not even man maths it’s just common sense. I will still need to check if an old fool (who according to SWMBO isn’t fit to be let out) can get insurance. Geoff

I agree re the Law of Diminishing Returns.

Even with our lowly 2017 L405, we’ve lost £25K in depreciation in 3 years, plus at least another ca. £6K spent on servicing/premptive work. However that pales into insignificance compared with the massive hit on a late-model L460 over a similar time period.
It just doesn’t seem to make any sense, the L460 isn’t so much significantly better than the L405 to justify the loss over time, even if you factor in major engine or gearbox repairs, then there is the “better the Devil you know” factor.

For me, I’d sooner spend far less money on keeping what I have and know pristine, than risk getting an L460 possible Lemon with huge depreciation guaranteed.

I just wish FFRR first-time owners were a bit more clued-up about corrosion-protection of the vehicles from new, but most don’t seem to have a clue or a care. V6 Vogue - “Less is More” - less to go wrong!

just as a point the 460 later cars are fully controlled via the screen, however there was a period on the earlier models where the climate was controlled on dials under the screen as it is on my D5. they then deleted this in favour of fully buttonless.

It's a bit of a faff but on the Disco the basic controls are easy enough to find for the suspension etc. The Pivi is good though and having the big screen with CarPlay is a lot nicer than the small screen in the 16 FF. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Thanks Bill,
It’s not even man maths it’s just common sense. I will still need to check if an old fool (who according to SWMBO isn’t fit to be let out) can get insurance.