This is the new JLR Ingenium 2.0 4 cylinder engine that will be in production from next year.

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Really, you want a very quiet engine in a FFRR. If it's quiet and does the job, who cares? Whether a 4 cyl engine has the power and torque appropriate to a large, heavy vehicle like the FFRR, we will have to see. It could be part of a petrol/electric hybrid with the electric motor handling the low down torque.

must be for the evoquer

JJ

Surely a definite for the RR Sport. Discovery Sport apparently will be launched without it as the engine plant won't be up and running in time (according to Autocar, so pinch of salt). Quite interesting engine - offset crank etc.

I can see it in a low spec SSRR.... but no chance in the full fat

Even if they introduced a 'bottom of the range' HSE FFRR it would still be minimum 65k and no ones going to pay that for a 2.0 diesel  Now: BMW 640d M Sport, Alpine White
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Times have changed, Car magazine quoted someone from JLR saying it hadn't been ruled out. There's been a 2.1 litre, 4-cylinder diesel S Class for a few years now.

I agree times change but the 2.1 litre is only available in the S Class as a hybrid not as an independent unit

I just can't see a 2.0 in the current FFRR it's still a very heavy car.... maybe as hybrid  Now: BMW 640d M Sport, Alpine White
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Yes, hybrid-only now, but it wasn't in the last one.

They reckon it'll have the output of the current 3.0 diesel, and it'll be lighter, so all this 'won't work in a big heavy car' is a bit meaningless.

For me the only issue is the refinement.

I didn't say it wouldn't work.... it will absolutely work but may be as refined as the old TD6

I've had experience of some 1.8 - 2.0 diesels in E Class/5 Series sized cars (work has a few pool cars) and they are not particularly nice engines IMO I can only imagine in a car the size of a FFRR it will be much worse.

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I was in a friends 320d recently and was disappointed with the noise. And it was worse even then my ancient TD6. I think that's the biggest issue, but will be interested to see what it's really like.

Well boys and girls you had better get used to it because over the next few years, small capacity -high output engines will replace ALL large capacity engines all be it with highbred as well for more performance . The world is changing and we might as well enjoy are large capacity characterful engines whilst we can .  2008 MY Supercharged
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Axle is right, times are changing.

The Merc 4 cylinder is a gruff old unit compared to many other diesels, but produces plenty of output.

The JLD engine is cam is chain driven so it's unlikely that access is needed!

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To be brutally frank I was never a big lover of the 2.2d as fitted to Freelander and the poverty spec Jag XF but only because of refinement issues. It was like driving a tractor.

But quite recently I drive the Focus with the Ford Eco-Boost engine. That's a 3 cylinder, 1 litre forced induction petrol unit with about 130 bhp and as much refinement as you'd ever need. OK, a 1.0 isn't going to cut it in a FFRR but the principle scales up very nicely. Double the capacity to a 2.0 which presumably will mean circa 250 bhp and you're on the money. BTW that Focus was averaging low 50's on the consumption figures. Make it a hybrid and it would probably see over 75.

Honestly I think we've seen the last of the huge grunty diesels, even all the technology we have today can't get them clean enough to meet new emissions regulations. I can't help but feel a sense of de ja vu when I think back to the 80's and all the lean-burn petrol engines in development back then. I think the one I liked most was the VW thing which they supercharged for torque and turbocharged for bhp. Clever really considering we were still firmly in the days of carburettors.

But as noted above most people don't care about the engine as long as it has sufficient power and is suitably refined. That's the key, and if JLR produce a decent enough motor to satisfy the criteria then they will sell. One only has to look at sales of the 2.2d in XF to understand that customers do actually care about the ridiculous cost of fuel these days, it's a serious consideration for everyone.

If they'd stick an electric motor inbetween or even better let it drive a generator and use hub motors, then something very interesting can happen. Since the combustion engine is now disconnected from the drive train, it can run at optimum speed/performance for the generator to drive the hub motors and charge the battery pack.

Although I doubt that JLR is going that fast in their development, who knows.

The FFRR has gotten a lot lighter as well and the TD6 made it work good enough in the L322. So less weight (including a very light engine) can still mean reasonable performance even in a L405 due to the weight reduction.

Not that I would get one, hell I just got myself one of the last big petrol v8s and plan to keep it going for a LONG time. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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