Thx Nino - so are you saying you get more oil out using this additional drain point?
Where is that exactly?

Mike link to cheap AF-L here: http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/post477980.html#477980
It arrived promptly and I'd order from them again.
10 litres for under £55 delivered.
The labels are German but otherwise legit!

. Cheers, Greg
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I went for dropping the oil. (see page 1 of this thread) For anyone thinking about doing it this way, it's pretty easy. There is an elbow on the end of the sucker pipe at the sump. The plastic pipe elbow is a finger squeeze and release from the sump pan. It's stiff but will come off with a little careful levering. Have a container ready!

The only thing tricky is it's hard to get back on. You need quite strong fingers to squeeze the tabs and using your other hand push very hard to get it back over a kind of barbed end. Measure the gap before removal and compare when you put it back.

But as oil changes go, very easy. Changing the air filters was more of a phaff than the oil change!
. Cheers, Greg
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Greg,
Thanks for link.
I have ordered 10litres for my next service from them.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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Nice one Mike!

. Cheers, Greg
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Greg, red is secondary drain plug and green (for reference) is vacuum drain pipe. as you have said, pipe is hard to get back on and frankly I'm not comfortable using that method on a regular basis, so much easier to vacuum as it is designed for doing it that way.

As for engine oil volume, mine took 9 litres exactly after two top ups / re checks.

Here's my reading with engine at temp.

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so we're still not absolutely clear whether the reading is correct when hot as specified in the WM , or when cold as per Ninos suggestion.. ... - .- -.




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Is the suction method what MDs use when servicing FFs? Obviously with the applicant engine type.

Just wondering if this is what can be done vs what should be done...i.e traditional oil change via the sump nut to remove any debris etc.

It suits me just fine the vacum method. Just leaves a horrid taste in your mouth for the rest of the day...  2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster - Baltic Blue, Jet interior
1997 P38 2.5 DSE auto & 1998 P38 2.5 DT Manual
1988 Vogue 3.5 EFI - Manual, gone.
2004 Volvo C70 2.0T convertible, had since new.
2007 Mazda MX-5 2.0 Sport Roadster/Coupé, had since new.
2024 Mini Cooper S cabrio, JCW kit, 2.0, DCT auto

I have sucked mine out 3 times now and always got out over 9 to 9.25 litres of hot oil.
I always clean out the filter housing, but have never found any sludge of any kind, but I am always a bit taken aback by how black the oil is, given that it has never done over 5k miles.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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Having done many oil changes on many cars over the years, I sucked 9 litres of oil out in a few minutes and certainly won't be going back to dropping oil out of the bottom!! 2004 TD6 - Gone
2011 4.4 TDV8

Mike
Is your vacuum pump the Draper one mentioned earlier on in thread?
Ta
Rob 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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Rob,
Yep
It is brilliant.
Because it holds 10 litres, you just get the oil hot and it sucks it out in a couple of minutes.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/draper-man...extractor/
Mike - this one?
Does it need any modifications to the tubing to fit the vehicle extractor pipe?
I assume there is a plug on the engine extractor pipe that needs removing?
Do you use the manual pump on it? 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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Rob,
Yes that is the one I have got and 100% recommend.
You just flip off the drain tube cap and the supplied pipe fits on directly without modifications.
Yes, I use it with the built in hand pump.

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic6052.html
See my entry on last page. ( page 294)
It really could not be any easier or cleaner to do an oil change.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic56162...tty+affair

 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
New Defender D300 90 on order so "Rory" will be going to a new home....!
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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