Great thread and very helpful as I need to do a full service on mMy newly acquired 2012 Westminster TDV8.

However I see the Draper oil suction pump is now £180!!

Has anyone any experience of this?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Autojack-Vacuum-E...s_li_ss_tl

I'd avoid cheap unbranded pumps - my experience is that the vacuum quickly fails. Not experience of this pump but of two different types I've purchased before.

I still see the Draper on ebay for £120: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363436528235

You mentioned you want to do your own service. It is EASY on the 4.4 TDV8 and will take you no longer than an hour. You need a bucket, (draining is just as simple as vacuuming), flat blade screwdriver, M8 spanner, 36mm socket with small torque wrench for the oil filter and a funnel. You also need a strap wrench if changing the fuel filter.

You need:
10L Oil STJLR.03.5005 (Smith & Allan are very popular on here. If you order direct, it's super cheap. Opie Oils also are very affordable and have a wide selection [i buy Petronas 5000 FJ when it's on offer and store it in the garage for the next service]. A warning though that the oil MUST be STJLR.03.5005 specification [also known as SAE 5W-30 oil meeting specification WSS-M2C934-B])
LR022896 OX153/7D2 Mahle Element Oil Filter
LR011593 (x2) Air filter
LR032199 Pollen filter
LR072610 KC521 Mahle Fuel Filter LR0290
No parts needed but be sure to clean the MAP sensor (1x T20 screw on the "donut")
Lithium grease spray all hinges

Here's a guide I wrote for changing the oil via the drop method: https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic60560.html

Sam has also done a video on servicing the 4.4 TDV8:

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Hello Gary,

Sincere thanks for that detailed reply, very helpful.

I have seen Sam’s video on YouTube and the link I posted was actually for the pump Sam uses in his tutorial which seems to work.

However I am interested to know if others have used the same pump and what their experiences have been given it is about 1/3 the price of the Draper pump.

Any feedback appreciated.

Regards,

Kevin

You can also use an electric pump to extract the oil and someone had a post about this a while back as it was quite a bit cheaper. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Hi guys

Just read this complete thread and what a wealth of info. I didn't realise the 4.4 has the ability to do an oil change in a white suit and avoid crawling under the car so I have ordered my vacuum pump today to do my oil change this week.

My question is regarding the oil type/spec. I see lots of opinions here on oil brand and spec but does it really matter? As in, I've used Petronas Syntium 3000 FR on my disco, below are the approvals. This is currently half price in halfords this week. Is this oil up to the job, this is my first car with a DPF. I have 9 Litres of this in the shed!

Specifications:
• API SN
• ACEA A5/B5
Approvals:
• Ford WSS-M2C913-C , WSS-M2C913-D
• Renault RN0700
• Jaguar STJLR.03.5003



Ive also used Liqui Moly oils before and liked them, this is the one they recommend for the 4.4

Special Tec F

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ie/special-t...tion-title

I can get this locally and I always use liqui moly for the diffs etc but never used their engine oil. Id love to hear your opinions about the above.

***********EDIT***********
Through some more searching I see someone gave the new spec and I found this Liqui Moly Oil that is specific for the Land Rover

TOP Tech 4500 5W-30
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/ie/top-tec-4....html#2317


Thanks Current yokes
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It's Petronas 5000 FJ 5W-30 for the 4.4 TDV8 (quite cheap as a 10L kit from Opie Oils - there's usually also a discount code).

Industry Specifications
ACEA C1
OEM Approvals
Ford WSS-M2C934-B
Jaguar STJLR.03.5005

The Petronas you referenced is the incorrect specification being ACEA A5 (I believe this is for non-DPF engines).

Smith and Allan are also popular for the 4.4 TDV8. The base oil is Shell.

Personally, I prefer to use Petronas in my 4.4 TDV8, as it also has the approvals. For other cars I use either Smith and Allan or Mannol. It may just be coincidence, but I find the smoke screen from the 2nd turbo practically non-existent using the Petronas. I don't see any science why this would be though, so really it's personal preference. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

Thanks for the info Gary

Ive shelved the Petronas for another car and Ive ordered an oil with the Ford WSS-M2C934-B spec. Ive always liked the Petronas too and found the Disco was quieter on it but where I live I have limited options for next day quality oil so I went with the Liqui Moly. Cant say Ive ever looked forward to an oil change but using this vacuum system has me intrigued. Current yokes
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Subaru Sambar Pickup Tipper
2006 Disco 3
Scoobie GT wagon
Mx5 G Ltd
TT S Line
Pajero JDM Exceed

Using the Draper tool is really easy. You can crack on with changing the oil filter and any other service parts whilst it's draining.

To get the best out of it, I find the oil needs to be warm but also been given time to drain back down into the sump. And if not using an air compressor, each time it stops draining, re-adjust the suction hose and pump it up again. Repeat the cycle until you can get no more (I often find 3 cycles is enough, and the additional 2 can gain an extra 1-1.5L. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

I used an electric 'Ultimate Speed' pump I bought from LIDL a few years ago. Worked fine and got plenty of oil out. 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue

I tried the Sealey 12V one and it was useless. Not enough power to suck oil out of an engine. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

I use one of the 12V oil extractor pumps off ebay. Has plenty of suction and has done the job perfectly well each time. I normally connect a battery charger to the +VE and ground posts in the engine bay, and then the pump's croc clips onto the same posts. Seems to ensure the best power for the pump. I pump the old oil out into an old 25l oil canister on the ground.

Does take a while to complete the extraction 10-15mins as the pipes are actually quite small diameter and its not super fast, so I set it going and go make a cup of tea.

As for filling. I use a 1l measuring jug and fill to about the 950-ish mark and pour in, I wouldn't say I'm super accurate with it, just thereabouts - Repeat 9 times and I've never had the car complain about its oil level after. As long as its somewhere in the middle is good enough considering it'll get chucked out in about 4000miles due to failed regens killing the service interval. V8 or else ...

A question on this that has been troubling me (why I think about these things I do not know), I see that there are mostly 9L extraction pumps that are a reasonable price (I am not opposed to buying the 10L Draper one mentioned in the post) but I was just wondering how people handle the pump getting full?

It is my understanding that the L405 4.4 Diesel V8 holds roughly 9.5 litres of oil so do you only bother to extract 9 litres? I am thinking that the empty 5 litre containers of new oil could be used to dispose of the old oil but then you are left with the quandary of wasting some new oil by filling up the 5 litre container with old oil as you would have some new still left over.

I know the simple answer here is to get another empty container and / or a 10 litre pump but I am, sadly, just curious?

I use a 30l camping water container to decant it into, so only one-third the number of trips to the local tip for disposal.  2012 TDV8 Westminster in the New Forest

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Thanks Shaun, that is a good idea.

You can disconnect the extraction tube once 9L has been removed (if you have a 9L pump, you can then empty and do the next bit. This is a bit of a faff though, so it"s probably best forking out for the 10L). But otherwise just keep a spare empty 5L washer fluid container for waste oil. By the time you've done 3 or 4 oil changes, on the next one you need only buy 5 litres.

Check how much your local tip will accept. My local tips limit you at 10L, so will immediately stop you if you turn up with a 20L or 30L drum. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8