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verydisco



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United Kingdom 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Tangiers Orange
[HELP] Odd coolant drops... then they're gone + other leak!

Hi gang, could do with some help really. A very odd thing happens, here the deal:

Vehicle: RHD 70000ish miles, 2002 4.4L V8 L322

6 weeks ago it had all engine and heater hoses replaced with LR parts + coolant by LR indy.

I drove home; 150 miles away from said Indy and parked the RR in the garage (in High position -so I see if there are leaks!), no leak in engine bay or on the floor. I did not touch it since, so it only drove 150 miles since hoses replacement, but again, I did not see any trace of coolant leak.

3 weeks ago (Rangie had not been driven at all) I noticed quite a few drops of coolant on the floor (never seen any before).

Weather was close to 0 Celsius. I cleaned the floor and put a cardboard piece under it to see where it comes from. I am 95% sure it is coolant: same colour as the coolant in the reservoir and it has a relatively sweet and acid taste (I know…)

Following day: same thing but a bit more coolant

Following day: same thing again with even more coolant!

Then, no more at all, note that then weather was better on that day.

I did ask around, but no one know why it would suddenly leak and moreover why it would then stop. Again with no driving whatsoever.

The coolant traces showed up on the transmission bell housing, then dropped on the rear tube of the engine/front suspension lower tubular subframe, I cannot see where they are from, looking from above the engine.

Coolant level is normal/tiny bit above max, so it did not loose much (see pics)

I drove it last week for 60 miles, temp needle stayed straight up. No coolant loss, no trace of coolant around the expansion tank cap either.

I then took the cabin filter housing off and investigated but could not find traces of coolant. I took several pics for you guys to have a look and see if you can spot a problem of any kind.
I also tighten all the hose screws ¼ of a rotation.

I have been looking throughout the site but cannot find a similar problem.

Please tell me if you have ever experienced this and how you fixed it.

Much thanks

Interesting threads I read though with no luck :

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic24986.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic6714.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic28212.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25822.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25681.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25170.html?highlight=coolant
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic24334.html?highlight=coolant


First leak

"Oh God..."

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with key to compare size, not that much "coolant", but not normal either!



leaking through the back of the skid plate


See how traces show at the bottom of the bell housing and subframe tube









All above pics shot on the day I discovered this. Again, the Rangie had not been used for 2/3 weeks.


Now the most recent ones, after driving 60 miles and as I took the air filter housing to investigate and retighten all the hoses.

Please check if you see anything wrong/odd.



Clear breather, loose.
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Black bit that seems to be blank
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Black breather, loose.
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Another black breather/hose plugged to the upper back of the engine
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Red wire cover
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3 hoses, passenger side, retighten
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Another hose, passenger side, retighten
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Overview


Another hose (right in the center of the pic, with the screw/clamp)


Then another one.


Breathers and down below the transmission bell housing


bell housing, not showing traces after being driven for 60 miles

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Rear of engine hose, retighten
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See anything odd?


Only odd thing I saw a slight (oil?) leak on 2 bolts (gaskets were renewed 1600 miles before)
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Closer view, we are on the left hand side of the engine (Driver side) and these are the 2 rearward bolts (closer to the driver)

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Close up
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Another close up
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The cap


Overall engine bay



Could anyone recommend this kit, is it working?

UV Dye & UV Torch Kit Leak Detection Dye For Cooling Antifreeze System RLD2 Ring
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230723938073


Again, much thanks l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

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RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

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Last edited by verydisco on 12th Mar 2015 10:38pm. Edited 10 times in total

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as it gets colder the pipes/seals contract and you get leaks...warm them up and they expand and no leaks..[maybe Mr. Green ] ... - .- -.




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First think we though of course, but then, where would it leak from... ? (i.e. : hoses or block?) l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

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could be any of the connections..i'd tighten every hose that was replaced by your indy.. ... - .- -.




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Original post edited with more pictures.

I have videos of the engine bay/transmission I can send via email to anyone willing to help

tx l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

Current
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

Previous:
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L TDV8 - 2012 - RANGE ROVER 3.6L TDV8 x3 - RANGE ROVER Td6 x1 - RANGE ROVER Classic 3.5L V8 x1

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At the back of the engine there are a few hoses. Also the coolant manifold which connects the left and right banks. It has a hose coming from it thats known to fail. The manifold has to aluminium tubes linking to the water pump and they only have push fit o rings. If your indy has replaced all existing hoses the pressure will look for the weak point. I doubt they would have replaced these o rings. Also the valley pan is a weak point that might be vulnerable now everything is new and fresh? [img]http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rob2529/range-rover[img/]
04, 4.4V8, Vogue Oslo Blue with LPG.
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If something can't be fixed with a hammer....... You have yourself an electrical fault!

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Thanks Rob, any chance you'd have photos showing me the said parts (or threads or schematics?)

tx a lot l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

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RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

Previous:
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L TDV8 - 2012 - RANGE ROVER 3.6L TDV8 x3 - RANGE ROVER Td6 x1 - RANGE ROVER Classic 3.5L V8 x1

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In your original post 2nd link is mine. The 6th pic shows the 2 pipes running front to back and the manifold at the back with the 2 known weak hoses. Also the valley pan cover is seen with coolant staining down the left hand side. [img]http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rob2529/range-rover[img/]
04, 4.4V8, Vogue Oslo Blue with LPG.
"You can sleep in your car, BUT you can't race your house!!!!"

If something can't be fixed with a hammer....... You have yourself an electrical fault!

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Mine has done a similar thing on more than one occasion, I'm waiting for it to get worse so I can sort it...

You could get a pressure tester, there not much money, that should find it....

Just for your info that first white breather is from the starter motor... Pete

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Also i think you have the wrong cap. You shouod have a 200 rated one. [img]http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rob2529/range-rover[img/]
04, 4.4V8, Vogue Oslo Blue with LPG.
"You can sleep in your car, BUT you can't race your house!!!!"

If something can't be fixed with a hammer....... You have yourself an electrical fault!

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The early 2002-2003 cars had a 140 cap, mine had a 200 when I got it but Dan checked and it should have a 140.... Pete

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This was my leak a couple of years ago.. The hose isn't standard bore, it's a reduction. New part £7, apparently fail around the 10 year mark, mine was 12 years when it failed. Very Happy

http://www.rswsolutions.com/index.php?opti...;Itemid=78

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Thank you all, especially steptoe as I think you may have found the problem, spot on!

let me read it all.

Damn, I do love this forum and its crowd Thumbs Up

Edit:

read it al Steptoe, ordering the part tomorrow - though I would think they did change them as I asked them to change every single one of them. Wink l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

Current
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

Previous:
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L TDV8 - 2012 - RANGE ROVER 3.6L TDV8 x3 - RANGE ROVER Td6 x1 - RANGE ROVER Classic 3.5L V8 x1

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Here is the said potential faulty hose/connecting pipe, ordered already :


Zooming in in:

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Then something that worries me more, even though the said leak may simply come from the said hose/connecting pipe. I notice traces on the passenger side bank, they are not oily, almost dry really.

They are located at the rear or the right bank (closer to the firewall), on the lower part of the engine block where it meets the transmission.

Anyone able to diagnostic with these pics, let me know please. More detailed video available via email (PM me)

I will thoroughly clean it all out with brake cleaner this weekend then drive 60 miles. check and will drive it back to the indy 120 miles away for investigation.






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Current
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

Previous:
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L TDV8 - 2012 - RANGE ROVER 3.6L TDV8 x3 - RANGE ROVER Td6 x1 - RANGE ROVER Classic 3.5L V8 x1

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That hose hasn't been changed! Very Happy
The oil leak looks like the valve/rocker cover gasket. [img]http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rob2529/range-rover[img/]
04, 4.4V8, Vogue Oslo Blue with LPG.
"You can sleep in your car, BUT you can't race your house!!!!"

If something can't be fixed with a hammer....... You have yourself an electrical fault!

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